User: woodduder, Location: West Central FL.
Asked on: Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 3:47 pm EDT
Answered on: Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 3:48 pm EDT
Question: I am looking for some feedback for wire sizing for DC cables that run from battery storage cabinets to a 300KVA UPS. I have been in this business for 40 years, but 99.99% has been involved with 120/208 and 277/480 volt AC systems.I now have a UPS system with a separate battery storage cabinet, that I must connect with cables. I just need some reassurance that I am thinking correctly since this is not AC wiring.The battery cabinet has a maximum voltage of 575VDC and a max current of 511 amps. My thoughts are to install 2 individual 2" conduits between the battery storage and the UPS. Each conduit to have two (one red, one black) 300 KCMIL conductors. 300KCMIL THHN good for 285 amps at 75 degrees = an ampacity of 570 amps. Seems good so far. Let me know if I am wrong so far.Next issue. The wiring space is tight. I have been told I should be using "welding cable" as it would bend better in the tight space. I have never used "welding cable". I received a quote for OMNI CABLE B225001 (this is 250 KCMIL). What is the ampacity of this cable? I cannot find this info. Cable has an EPDM insulation, but this is not in NEC. I am going to call OMNI, but any input would be great.
Okay, let's break this down. You're right to be cautious; DC systems have some nuances compared to AC. Your initial thoughts on the THHN conductors are generally sound.
Regarding your initial THHN Calculation
Voltage
575VDC is high. Make sure all components, including connectors, lugs, and conduit fittings, are rated for at least this voltage (and preferably a safety margin above that).
Current
511A is your key figure.
Conduit
Using two conduits is a good practice for separating polarities and simplifying installation.
Conductor Size
You are thinking correctly with the 300 kcmil THHN.
Ampacity
300 kcmil THHN is rated 285A in NEC Table 310.16. Since you are installing 2 sets of conductors, the ampacity is 2 285 = 570 amps. So you are covered.
75°C Rating
You're using the 75°C column because that is the standard used for termination temperature, unless equipment is specifically marked otherwise. Be sure that both the UPS and battery system terminals are rated for 75°C or higher.
Derating (Not Needed Here)
You've already accounted for the number of conductors in the conduit by using the 75 degree column for a single conductor.
Important Considerations for THHN
NEC Compliance
Ensure that all wiring and installation methods comply with the National Electrical Code (NEC), particularly Article 310 (Conductors for General Wiring), Article 300 (Wiring Methods), and any applicable sections for battery systems (Article 480) or energy storage systems (Article 706).
DC-Specific Considerations
DC currents don't have the skin effect issues of AC, meaning the entire conductor is utilized, but voltage drop is a critical factor due to the constant current flow.
Overcurrent Protection
Ensure appropriate overcurrent protection (fuses or circuit breakers) is in place as close to the battery as possible. Coordinate the overcurrent protection with the conductor ampacity.
"Welding Cable" Considerations (OMNI CABLE B225001 250 KCMIL)
Flexibility
Welding cable's primary advantage is its flexibility due to the very fine stranding of the copper conductors. This makes it much easier to maneuver in tight spaces.
Insulation
The EPDM insulation is the potential issue. EPDM (Ethylene Propylene Diene Monomer) is a rubber insulation. Welding cable is not specifically covered under the NEC, and typically is NOT listed as a NEC wiring method.
This is where it gets tricky and why you need to be very careful. Ampacity Determination (The Big Question)
This is the crucial point. You cannot just assume the ampacity of welding cable based on its size alone.
Listing and Standards
The biggest issue is whether the cable is listed by a recognized testing laboratory (like UL, ETL, etc.) for general wiring use, and whether the listing covers use in a raceway. Welding cable is typically not listed for this type of application.
NEC 310.15(B)(3)
The NEC allows for using ampacities not specifically in the tables IF the cable is specifically marked with the ampacity by a qualified testing agency.
Manufacturer's Data
Even if the cable has a UL listing, the ampacity might be specific to certain applications. Contact OMNI directly and get a letter stating the ampacity of the cable when used in a raceway with the specific parameters you are proposing (temperature, number of conductors in conduit, etc.).
Voltage Rating
Verify that the welding cable's voltage rating is sufficient for 575VDC. Many welding cables are rated for only 600V AC. DC voltage can stress insulation differently than AC.
Recommendations and Cautions
Verify OMNI Cable Listing and Ampacity
Before using any welding cable, get written documentation from OMNI (or any manufacturer) stating the specific ampacity of the cable when installed in a conduit and its suitability for your voltage (575VDC). Look for a UL listing that covers the intended use. If you cannot get this documentation, you cannot use it.2.
NEC Compliance
You must be able to demonstrate that your wiring method complies with the NEC. If the welding cable isn't explicitly listed for use in your application, it is a violation.3.
Alternative High-Flexibility Conductors
Explore other options for high-flexibility conductors that are listed for NEC-compliant installations. Some manufacturers offer extra-flexible THHN/THWN conductors specifically designed for tight spaces. These often have a higher strand count for increased flexibility.4.
Consult a Qualified Electrical Engineer
Given the high DC voltage and current levels, it's highly recommended to consult with a licensed electrical engineer experienced in DC power systems and NEC compliance. They can perform calculations, review your design, and ensure a safe and code-compliant installation.5.
Voltage Drop Calculations
As mentioned earlier, voltage drop is critical in DC systems. Calculate the voltage drop for your chosen conductor size and run length to ensure it stays within acceptable limits (typically no more than 3%).
In Summary:
Your initial THHN approach is generally correct if you can work with the bend radius and space constraints. Welding cable might be an option, but only if you can get documented proof of its suitability for your application and NEC compliance. If you are unsure, consult a qualified electrical engineer to ensure the design is safe and meets all applicable codes and standards. Don't cut corners on safety or compliance, especially with high-voltage DC systems. Flag for review