User: V.E.Service, Location: CT
Asked on: Saturday, May 24, 2025 at 4:21 pm EDT
Answered on: Saturday, May 24, 2025 at 4:26 pm EDT
Question: Hey Everyone im new to the forum but have been looking up questions on here for years! Hopefully i can gain some wisdom from everyone! Thanks in advance!I need to wire 3 tesla chargers in an older warehouse that has a 3 phase Delta system. Another electrician ran a 200 amp single phase panel with the A phase, B phase(high leg), and ground (no neutral in the panel). If I understand correctly on the other forum questions I've seen, I should be ok to run the 3 2pole breakers needed, on this panel right?
Welcome to the forum! It's great to have another resource and hopefully contributor here.You've hit on a slightly tricky situation, so let's break it down carefully
Understanding the Delta System and High Leg
3-Phase Delta
In a 3-phase Delta system, the voltage between each of the three phases (A, B, and C) is equal. However, unlike a Wye system, there's no neutral point created in the transformer configuration itself.
High Leg (Stinger Leg)
This is where things get interesting. To provide a single-phase 120/240V service from a Delta system, one phase (usually B) is center-tapped. This creates a "high leg" (also called a stinger leg or red leg) because the voltage from that phase to the neutral point is roughly 208V (instead of the typical 120V). This high leg cannot be used for 120V loads and needs to be carefully marked with orange tape, paint, or other effective means of identification.
Your Single-Phase Panel
You stated this panel is fed with A phase, B phase (high leg), and ground, but no neutral. This is a critical detail. Without a neutral, you are limited to 240V loads only on this panel. You cannot supply any 120V circuits.
Tesla Chargers Tesla chargers (Wall Connectors) are typically 240V devices. However, you must verify the voltage requirements on the charger itself, but I'm going to assume they are 240v for the rest of this discussion.
The Crucial Question: Grounding You mentioned a ground wire run to the panel. It is absolutely essential to understand where this ground wire originates. In a Delta system, the grounding is often accomplished through a corner-grounded Delta or by using a grounding transformer to create a neutral point. It's not as straightforward as a Wye system. You need to know the exact grounding configuration of the overall 3-phase system before proceeding.Can you use the 200A Panel for the Tesla Chargers? Maybe, but with VERY specific conditions and a lot of due diligence.
Here's the thought process:1. Voltage Compatibility
If the Tesla chargers are definitely 240V only, and the panel is wired correctly with 240V across A and B (high leg), then electrically, the voltage supply is correct.2.
Grounding Verification
You must determine the source of the ground wire. Is it a properly established ground from the overall electrical system (corner grounded or grounding transformer)? If the ground is inadequate, it's a serious safety hazard.3.
Load Calculation
You need to perform a proper load calculation for the Tesla chargers and all other loads on that 200A panel. Each Tesla charger can draw a significant amount of current (typically 48A or more, depending on the model and settings). You cannot exceed the panel's or the feeder's ampacity. You may need to limit the output current of the chargers.4.
Code Compliance
All work must be done in accordance with the National Electrical Code (NEC) and any applicable local codes. This includes proper overcurrent protection, conductor sizing, grounding, and labeling.
Risks and Concerns High Leg Confusion
The high leg is a source of potential mistakes. Someone unfamiliar with the system could accidentally try to use the high leg for a 120V circuit, which would damage equipment. Clear and permanent labeling is essential.
Grounding Issues
Improper grounding is a major safety hazard. It can lead to electric shock and fire.
Load Imbalance
Running multiple high-current single-phase loads on a Delta system can create load imbalance, which can stress the transformer and other equipment.
Recommendations1. Consult with an Electrical Engineer or Experienced Electrician
Given the complexities of a Delta system and the potential for problems, I strongly recommend consulting with a qualified professional. They can assess the system, verify the grounding, perform load calculations, and ensure compliance with all applicable codes.2.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of all wiring, grounding, and load calculations. This will be invaluable for future maintenance and troubleshooting.3.
Clearly Label Everything
Label the high leg, the panel, and all circuits clearly.4.
Consider Alternatives
Depending on the existing infrastructure, it might be more cost-effective and safer to run a new 3-phase panel from the main service. This would provide a more balanced load and eliminate the high-leg issue.
In Summary
While theoretically you might be able to use the existing single-phase panel, there are many factors to consider. Do not proceed without a thorough understanding of the system and proper professional guidance. Safety is paramount. Improperly wiring a Delta system can have serious consequences. I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.
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