User: Jimmy7, Location: Boston, MA
Asked on: Monday, May 26, 2025 at 7:16 am EDT
Answered on: Monday, May 26, 2025 at 7:17 am EDT
Question: We got called to replace a few ceiling mounted light fixtures in an older home. The cables going to the lights were a mix of regular 14-2 romex and old cloth 14-2 Romex with a reduced #16 ground. We grounded the boxes and used greenies, but I think they were the 3M or something equivalent (Picture of the ones we use below). We put the grounds together, and ran a #14 to hit the ground bar, and light. I’m now realizing that the greenie was probably not rated for a #16. Any idea if #14 and #16 can be mixed with a greenie? I don’t know about you, but I don’t stop in the middle and look up ratings. The grounds were made up tight.
Okay, let's break down your situation and address your concerns about mixing #14 and #16 grounds using wire connectors (like "greenies").
Understanding the Issue
The Problem
The core concern is whether the listed (or rated) capacity of the wire connector you used (the "greenie") allows for a combination of #14 and #16 AWG (American Wire Gauge) ground wires. If the connector is not rated for that combination, the connection could be considered non-compliant with electrical codes. This is less about how "tight" the connection feels and more about the connector's engineered and tested capabilities.
Why it Matters
Improper wire combinations in connectors can lead to:
Reduced Grounding Effectiveness
A loose or poorly made connection can hinder the ground's ability to quickly and safely carry fault current back to the electrical panel, increasing the risk of electrical shock or fire.
Connector Failure
Over time, vibration, thermal expansion/contraction, and corrosion can loosen an undersized connection, leading to increased resistance, heat, and potential failure.
Code Violations
Electrical inspections can flag non-compliant connections, requiring rework.
Regarding Your Specific Scenario
Connector Ratings are Key
You must determine the exact model of the wire connectors ("greenies") you used and then look up their specifications. The manufacturer's documentation (often available online) will list the allowable wire combinations. It should say something like "Acceptable Wire Combinations: #18 - #10 AWG (2-#18 minimum)" or similar.2.
Most Common "Greenies"
The most common green wire connectors are typically rated for a minimum of (2) #18 AWG, up to a maximum of (3) #12 AWG. This does not allow for a #16 AWG. This is likely the issue that you are running into.3.
#16 Ground Wire in Old Cloth Romex
It is common for older cloth-insulated Romex to have a smaller (often #16) ground wire.4.
Your Wiring Practice
You stated you combined the grounds, and ran a #14 to both the box and the fixture. This is generally a good grounding practice, but the grounds must be properly connected.
Possible Solutions & Recommendations
Identify the Connector
The first step is to positively identify the exact connector you used (brand and model). The packaging or the connector itself should have markings.2.
Check the Specifications
Once you know the connector, find its specifications. The manufacturer's website is usually the best resource. Look for the "Acceptable Wire Combinations" section.3.
If the Combination is NOT Allowed
Correct the Connections
The safest and most code-compliant approach is to replace the connectors with ones that are rated for the combination of #14 and #16. There are several options:
Smaller Connectors
Some wire connectors are specifically designed for smaller wire gauges and can accept a combination of #14 and #16. Wago 221 series connectors are a good example.
Pigtailing
Use a correctly sized wire connector to connect the #16 ground to a #14 pigtail. Then, use a larger connector to combine the #14 pigtail with the other #14 grounds and the ground wire to the box.
Document Everything
Keep a record of the connectors used, their ratings, and the connections made. This can be helpful for future reference and inspections.4.
When in Doubt, Ask
If you are unsure about the correct way to make the connections, consult with a qualified electrician or electrical inspector.
Important Considerations
Local Electrical Codes
Always follow the local electrical codes and regulations. These codes may have specific requirements for grounding in older homes.
Safety First
When working with electrical wiring, always turn off the power at the breaker and verify that the circuit is de-energized before touching any wires.
Proper Tools
Use the correct tools for stripping, cutting, and connecting wires. This will help ensure a secure and reliable connection.
In summary, you need to verify the connector ratings. If your connectors are not rated for the combination of #14 and #16, you should correct the connections using appropriately rated connectors or a pigtailing method. Prioritize safety and compliance with electrical codes. Flag for review