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Topic: Eaton 9170+ UPS modules dropping off for no reason

User: 11bgrunt, Location: TEXAS

Asked on: Monday, May 26, 2025 at 2:08 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, May 26, 2025 at 2:08 pm EDT

Question: This company has many radio tower sites, and most are using the 9170+ UPS. Single phase 240/120 for emergency and for filtering the POCO power.I was asked to check power quality from the utility to the UPS at this one site. Utility power only, no genset. Control house is climate controlled.They were using only one module on test day. At this site, they have changed batteries and changed modules. Sometime the module runs for an hour, sometimes a day. Move the modules to another tower site and no problem with the module.With only one module running and the risk of an outage to the tower, testing on the load side was limited. PMI voltage recorders were set in the meter socket for a week, and no PQ issue was seen. Thermal imaging on the UPS tower has been doneNext week they plan to move this site to bypass so more UPS load testing can be done.This is a rare problem for this company, but they have experienced it before, and the cure was total removal and replacement with a DC plant.There wasn’t information on alarms. The communications group receives a notification that the site is down and when they show up, the module is offline.We can resistively load the UPS and have meters to see the sine wave.What test can be done to isolate and correct this problem?Thanks,

Okay, this is a tricky situation. You've got a UPS system behaving erratically at a specific site, and swapping components (batteries, modules) hasn't consistently fixed the problem. The fact that the modules work fine at other locations is a crucial clue. Here's a structured approach to isolate and (hopefully) correct this

I. Gather More Information (If Possible):

Before diving deeper, try to collect this information: Alarm Logs

This is critical. Even if the communications group only gets a "site down" message,
there must be some alarm history stored within the UPS itself. Find out how to access it. This may require specialist software.

Specific Error Codes

Knowing the exact error code displayed when the module shuts down is immensely helpful. It points directly to the likely cause.

Precise Failure Pattern

Try to be more accurate as to when the failures occur, such as what day of the week? At noon?


UPS Configuration

Is the UPS configured correctly for the site's voltage, frequency, and load? Verify all settings.

Grounding Verification

Confirm that all grounding connections are solid and compliant with the UPS manufacturer's recommendations.


Battery Details

Get the exact specifications for the new batteries. Are they identical to the original batteries (voltage, Ah rating, chemistry, internal resistance)? Were they new, or "new old stock"? A mismatch can cause problems.

Environmental Conditions

You mention climate control, but is it consistent? Is the temperature stable? Are there any sources of vibration near the UPS?


Maintenance History

Beyond battery and module replacements, what other maintenance has been performed? When were the filters last cleaned (if applicable)? Were any other components replaced or adjusted?

Site Load Profile

Understand the actual load connected to the UPS. What is the typical load, and what are the peak demands? Is there anything unusual or particularly sensitive on the load side?

II. Systematic Testing and Troubleshooting

Here's a detailed testing plan:1.

Visual Inspection (Again - Be Thorough)



Wiring

Carefully inspect every wiring connection within the UPS cabinet. Look for loose connections, corrosion, signs of overheating, or damaged insulation. Pay special attention to connections to the batteries and the bypass switch.

Circuit Boards

Visually inspect the circuit boards for any signs of damage (burnt components, bulging capacitors, etc.).


Fans

Ensure all cooling fans are working properly. Overheating can cause components to fail intermittently.

Contamination

Check for dust, debris, or rodent droppings inside the UPS. Clean thoroughly if necessary.2.

Voltage Readings (Multiple Points)



Input Voltage

While the PMI voltage recorders showed no major PQ issues, take real-time voltage readings at the UPS input terminals over a period of time (at least an hour or two). Use a quality multimeter and log the data if possible. Look for any brief voltage sags, swells, or transients that the PMI recorders might have missed.

Output Voltage

Measure the UPS output voltage while it's running. Is it stable and within the specified range?


Battery Voltage

Measure the individual battery voltages. Are they consistent? Is the total battery voltage within the expected range?

Internal Voltages

Consult the UPS service manual and measure any key internal DC voltages within the module itself. Look for fluctuations or out-of-spec readings.3.

Resistance Loading & Sine Wave Analysis



Bypass Mode Load Testing

As planned, put the site into bypass mode. This allows you to load test the UPS module without risking an outage.

Resistive Load

Connect a resistive load to the UPS output, gradually increasing it up to the rated capacity of the module (or a safe, agreed-upon limit).


Voltage and Current Monitoring

Monitor the UPS output voltage, current, and frequency using high-quality meters (true RMS meters are essential).

Oscilloscope

Use an oscilloscope to observe the output waveform. Look for any distortion, clipping, or noise.


Harmonic Analysis

If possible, use a power quality analyzer to measure the harmonic content of the output waveform. Excessive harmonics can indicate a problem with the inverter.4.

Battery Testing (In-Circuit and Out-of-Circuit)



In-Circuit Battery Test

Many UPS systems have a built-in battery test function. Run this test and see if it reports any issues.


Out-of-Circuit Battery Test

Disconnect the batteries and perform a proper capacity test using a battery analyzer or dedicated battery tester. This will give you a more accurate assessment of their condition. Check the internal resistance of the batteries as well. High internal resistance is a sign of degradation.5.

Current Measurements



Battery Charging Current

Monitor the current flowing into the batteries while the UPS is in normal operation. Is it within the expected range?


Load Current

Measure the current being drawn by the connected load. Make sure it's within the UPS's rated capacity.6.

Temperature Monitoring (Internal)

Use a thermal camera or non-contact thermometer to check the temperature of key components inside the UPS module, such as the inverter, transformers, and capacitors. Look for any hotspots that could indicate a failing component.7.

Communication Issues



Communication Ports

Verify that the UPS communication ports (e.g., serial, Ethernet) are functioning correctly. Try connecting to the UPS using the manufacturer's software.

Network Connectivity

If the UPS is connected to a network, make sure the network connection is stable.


SNMP Traps

Configure the UPS to send SNMP traps to a network management system. This can provide real-time alerts of any problems.

III. Focus on Site-Specific Issues

Since the modules work fine elsewhere, the problem is likely related to the unique environment at this site:

Neutral-Ground Bond

Double-check the neutral-ground bond at the service entrance. A floating ground or improper bonding can cause all sorts of strange issues with sensitive electronic equipment.


Ground Loops

Look for potential ground loops in the system. Disconnect any unnecessary ground connections and see if the problem goes away.

Harmonic Distortion

The local utility feed might have abnormally high harmonic distortion, even if voltage is in range.


EMI/RFI Interference

Is there any nearby equipment that could be generating electromagnetic interference (EMI) or radio frequency interference (RFI)? Try shielding the UPS or moving it to a different location.

Building Wiring

The building's electrical wiring could have issues. Have a qualified electrician inspect the wiring for any problems.

IV. Key Considerations



Safety First

Always follow proper safety procedures when working with electrical equipment. Wear appropriate PPE and de-energize the UPS before performing any work inside the cabinet.

Documentation

Keep detailed records of all your tests, measurements, and observations. This will help you track your progress and identify patterns.


Manufacturer Support

Contact the UPS manufacturer's technical support team. They may have specific troubleshooting steps or diagnostic tools that can help you identify the problem.

Qualified Personnel

Ensure that all testing and repairs are performed by qualified personnel who are familiar with UPS systems and electrical safety practices.

V. Decision Time

After performing all of these tests, you should have a much better understanding of the problem. You'll likely have narrowed it down to a specific component or environmental factor. At that point, you can make an informed decision about whether to repair the UPS, replace it with a new unit, or switch to a DC plant.

Why the DC Plant?


The fact that this company has switched to DC plants in the past suggests they suspect certain sites might have consistently poor incoming power
beyond* voltage fluctuations. DC plants, with their separate rectifiers and battery banks, can be more resilient to certain power quality issues.Let me know if you have more information or specific test results as you progress. Good luck! Flag for review

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