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Topic: Eaton ATS Support Contacts?

User: Birken Vogt, Location: Grass Valley, Ca

Asked on: Tuesday, June 10, 2025 at 9:38 pm EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, June 10, 2025 at 9:41 pm EDT

Question: I have a customer with an existing 1600 amp 208 volt Eaton transfer switch. The catch is it is non-automatic, just works with switches and lamps. It looks like any other Eaton ATS, even the panel cutouts are there, just not auto. Red wires and all.My Eaton supply house contacted Eaton who first said they only make switches up to 1200 amps. Then said it cannot be done, will void the UL listing.Does anybody know a way to get ahold of somebody with a brain over there or is this the way they are going to be?

You're hitting a common wall with manufacturers these days: modifying existing equipment, even with their own parts, can be a liability can of worms they just don't want to open.Here's a breakdown of how you can approach this and who you might try to contact at Eaton

Understanding the Problem:
UL Listing

This is the core issue. Any modification to a UL-listed product
can void the listing if the modification affects the safety and performance characteristics the UL tested and approved. Eaton is extremely sensitive to this because liability in a failure would be enormous.

Non-Automatic to Automatic Complexity

It's not just slapping in a controller. An ATS has sophisticated monitoring circuits (voltage, frequency), timers, and control logic to reliably switch sources under various conditions. Adding this to a manual transfer switch involves: Integrating sensors for voltage, frequency, and loss of phase on both sources. Implementing logic to determine when a transfer is needed. Integrating a motor operator or solenoid to actuate the switch mechanism. Adding timers for stable source detection and re-transfer. Adding safety interlocks to prevent accidental operation. Possibly upgrading the internal contactors and switching mechanism for the higher duty cycle of automatic operation.

Possible Avenues


Eaton's Application Engineering Department

This is your best bet for getting beyond the standard "no" from the supply house or general customer service.

Goal

You want to talk to someone who understands the engineering principles behind the ATS and
why Eaton initially designed it the way they did. You need them to analyze the specific model you have.

How to Find Them

This can be tricky. Try searching Eaton's website for "Application Engineering" or "Custom Solutions" related to transfer switches. Failing that, ask your Eaton supply house to escalate the request to a regional Eaton sales engineer (not just a counter salesman). They might have contacts within application engineering.

What to Ask

Clearly state you have an existing Eaton 1600A manual transfer switch. Provide the exact model number, serial number, and any other identifying information you can find on the nameplate. Explain that you want to explore the feasibility of upgrading it to automatic operation using genuine Eaton components. Emphasize that you want to maintain the UL listing if possible. Ask if there's a field upgrade kit, modification procedure, or if it's possible to order the specific components needed to upgrade it, even if it requires Eaton to recertify or re-label the switch. Be prepared for them to say "no" due to liability, but at least you'll have exhausted this avenue.2.

Independent Electrical Engineering Firm



Goal

If Eaton says no, a qualified electrical engineering firm specializing in power systems can assess the existing transfer switch and design a custom retrofit.

How to Find Them

Search online for "Electrical Engineering Power Systems" in your area. Ask for references and check their experience with transfer switches.


Considerations



Cost

This will be more expensive than a manufacturer-approved solution (if one existed).


UL Listing

Likely impossible to maintain the original UL listing. The engineering firm can help ensure the modified switch meets relevant codes and standards, but it won't be the same as a UL listing.

Liability

The engineering firm will assume some liability for the design, but you'll need to carefully review their insurance and contractual terms.


Components

They'll specify the necessary components (controllers, motor operators, sensors, etc.). They may be able to use Eaton components, or they may need to specify alternatives.

The engineer will likely have to open up the switch and inspect it thoroughly, so schedule accordingly.
3. Consider Replacement

Sometimes, the cost and hassle of a retrofit outweigh the benefits. Getting a new, properly sized Eaton (or another brand) 1600A automatic transfer switch might be the most cost-effective and reliable solution in the long run. Factor in: The cost of a new ATS. The cost of removing the old ATS. The cost of any necessary electrical modifications to accommodate the new ATS. The long-term reliability and warranty of a new unit.

Key Considerations When Talking to Eaton or an Engineer



Be specific

Have the model number, serial number, and any other information about the existing switch readily available.


Be patient

This will likely involve multiple phone calls and emails.

Be professional

Even if you're frustrated, maintain a respectful and professional tone.


Document everything

Keep detailed records of all conversations, emails, and quotes.

Don't mislead

Be honest about the age, condition, and intended use of the transfer switch.


Focus on safety and reliability

Make it clear that your primary concern is a safe and reliable automatic transfer system.

In summary, start with Eaton's Application Engineering department and be prepared for a detailed technical discussion. If that doesn't work, explore the independent engineering option, but weigh it carefully against the cost and benefits of replacing the switch entirely.
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