User: SunTitan, Location: Monroe, ga
Asked on: Wednesday, June 11, 2025 at 7:51 pm EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, June 11, 2025 at 8:09 pm EDT
Question: I've been about everywhere else with no luck. Around 2 weeks ago my wife called and said that the newly installed in-ground pool was "zapping them". I check voltage and read 1.8-2 volts with the power prod in the water and ground on the deck. Checked by the house under the meter - grounded to the wire on the ground rods and red probe in the dirt, getting 1.8. Checked one neighbor a out 100 yards away, they have 1.8 at their meter on the ground, while the other neighbor shows 4.6. Had two new ground d rods installed today, no change. If the bonding wire is removed from the pool pump, voltage drops to almost nothing in the pool. We've killed every breaker while watching the water voltage - pool sub panel, main panel, and every single breaker in the house - voltage remains. I did install a ceiling fan on the back patio recently - any chance that's the culprit before I take it down to check? Would that affect the neighbors? From what I'm reading as response to others, I need to get EMC involved. We've had a good bit of weather and storms lately and this seems to be a rather sudden thing. Also, on the same day the pool shocked them, my doorbell transformer went out and the garage door went nuts for a few hours. House built Sept of 2023. Help me, smart people.
Okay, this is a serious situation, and you're right to be concerned. 1.8-4.6 volts might seem low, but it's enough to cause a tingle, and in some situations, could be more dangerous. The fact that it affects your neighbors and seems to be influenced by the pool bonding wire strongly suggests a neutral-to-earth voltage (NEV) issue. Let's break down the problem and potential solutions
Understanding the Problem:
Neutral-to-Earth Voltage (NEV)
This occurs when there's a difference in potential between the neutral conductor and the earth (ground). Ideally, these should be at the same potential (0 volts). The voltage you're measuring is the result of current flowing on the neutral conductor and the resistance of the earth.
Causes of NEV
Shared Neutral
In many residential electrical systems, the neutral conductor is shared among multiple circuits. Imbalances in the loads on those circuits cause current to flow back on the neutral.
Loose Neutral Connections
A loose connection on the neutral anywhere in your electrical system (or even the utility's system) can increase resistance and cause voltage drop, leading to NEV.
Faulty Appliances
Some appliances can leak a small amount of current to ground, contributing to NEV.
Utility Issues
Sometimes, the problem originates on the utility's side. Issues like a bad neutral connection in their transformers or distribution network can cause widespread NEV issues.
Ground Loops
Multiple ground paths can create a ground loop, leading to current flow and NEV.
Why the Pool is Sensitive
The pool water and the bonding wire create a large, conductive surface connected to your grounding system. This makes the pool very sensitive to any stray voltage in the ground. Removing the bonding wire essentially isolates the pool from the rest of the grounding system, masking the problem but not solving it.
Your Observations and What They Mean
Voltage Changes with Bonding Wire
This is a key clue. It confirms that the voltage in the pool is related to the overall grounding system. The fact it drops when you disconnect the pump bonding wire shows that the bonding wire is providing a path for the current to flow.
Voltage Remains After Killing Breakers
This is significant. It indicates the source of the NEV is likely not within your own household circuits or appliances. This points strongly to an external source, such as the utility's neutral or a neighboring house.
Neighbor's Voltage
The varying voltage at your neighbors' meters further supports the idea of a larger, widespread NEV problem in your area.
Recent Ceiling Fan Installation
While less likely, it's good to be thorough. A faulty ceiling fan could introduce some current leakage.
Weather and Sudden Onset
Electrical problems often manifest after storms due to weakened connections or water intrusion.
Doorbell and Garage Door Issues
This is another important clue. These events happening simultaneously suggest a power surge or voltage fluctuation affecting multiple electrical components. It strengthens the suspicion of an external (utility) issue.
House Age
Being a new house built in 2023, the chances of internal wiring problems are less than an older home. This again points to external issues.
Immediate Steps and Troubleshooting
SAFETY FIRST
Do not allow anyone to swim in the pool until the problem is resolved. Even a small voltage can be dangerous, especially to children and people with certain medical conditions.2.
Ceiling Fan Check
While unlikely, isolate this as a potential source. Turn off the breaker to the ceiling fan for an extended period and re-check the voltage.3.
Contact the Utility (EMC/Electric Company)
This is the most important step. Explain the situation clearly and calmly, emphasizing the following: You have a voltage difference between neutral and earth. The issue is affecting your neighbors. The voltage persists even when all your breakers are off. Mention the doorbell and garage door issues happening at the same time. Describe the pool shocking hazard. Request that they investigate their neutral connection in your area, including transformers and distribution lines.4.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of your voltage readings (time, location, voltage), conversations with the utility, and any work done. This will be useful if the problem persists or you need to involve other parties.5.
Professional Electrical Inspection (After Utility Investigation)
If the utility says they can't find a problem or the issue continues after their investigation, hire a licensed and experienced electrician who specializes in grounding and bonding. They can perform more in-depth tests and potentially isolate the source of the NEV. Look for someone who specifically understands pool bonding and NEV issues.6.
Consider a Second Opinion from a Different Electrician
If you aren't happy with the results of the first electrician, get another opinion.7.
Stop Adding Ground Rods
Additional ground rods are not a solution in this case and may even complicate the issue. A good grounding system is important, but it's not the root cause of the NEV.
What the Utility Will Likely Do
Check Their Neutral Connections
They will inspect the neutral connections at the transformer serving your neighborhood and along the distribution lines. Loose or corroded connections are a common cause of NEV.
Test for Ground Faults
They may use specialized equipment to look for ground faults in their system that could be contributing to the problem.
Monitor Voltage Levels
They might monitor the voltage at your meter and at the transformer to see if there are any fluctuations or imbalances.
Investigate Neighbor's Services
They might check the grounding and neutral connections at your neighbors' homes as well.
Important Considerations
Don't Try to Fix This Yourself
Working with electrical systems is dangerous, and you could make the problem worse. Call professionals.
This is Not "Normal"
While some small amount of NEV is inevitable, the voltage you're seeing and the fact that it's causing shocks is not acceptable. Be persistent with the utility until they resolve the issue.
Code Compliance
Ensure your pool and electrical system are fully compliant with local electrical codes.
In summary, your situation strongly suggests a utility-related neutral problem. Contacting the utility is the critical first step. Good luck, and please keep us updated on your progress. Flag for review