User: kjroller, Location: Dawson Mn
Asked on: Friday, June 13, 2025 at 2:55 pm EDT
Answered on: Friday, June 13, 2025 at 2:55 pm EDT
Question: So I understand that a 9 lead motor is basically a 12 lead motor but 10,11,12 are generally tied internally so you only have 9 leads coming out of the motor. That being said I am wondering if most of these motors contain 12 coils in the stator since they 90% of them are dual voltage. The reason I ask Is in general when you draw a wye or a delta you on paper you generally have six windings, but it doesn't really show you how many coils but generally a winding is made up of 2 coils from what I understand. Also if it was only 9 coils in the stator I don't believe you could have dual voltage because when you try and put the windings in parallel it would be uneven. I would assume a 9 coil would have to be either just high or just low voltage based on what I understand if anyone has any insight, I would be happy to hear it.
You've got some good foundational understanding here, and you're asking the right questions! Let's break down the concepts to clarify the relationship between leads, coils, windings, and voltage in these motors.
Key Definitions (To Make Sure We're on the Same Page)
Coil
A single loop (or multiple turns) of wire. Think of it as the fundamental building block.
Winding
A group of coils connected in series. A single winding is what contributes to one phase.
Lead
The wire that comes out of the motor, connecting to a winding.
Phase
In a three-phase motor, there are three separate electrical circuits. Each circuit typically has one or more windings contributing to it.
Your Statement About 9-Lead Motors
Your understanding that 9-lead motors are essentially 12-lead motors with internal connections is correct. Terminals T10, T11, and T12 are internally connected, often to the neutral point of a wye configuration.
The Number of Coils and Windings 12 Coils, 6 Windings
The most common configuration for dual-voltage, three-phase motors (whether 9-lead or 12-lead) is
12 coils arranged into 6 windings. Each phase (A, B, and C) then gets two windings. How the Windings are Formed
Think of it this way: you have two coils that are connected in series to create a single winding. This winding becomes part of one of the three phases. Then another two coils are connected to form another winding for that same phase.
Wye or Delta
The 6 windings can be connected in either a wye (star) or delta configuration depending on the voltage applied.
Why 12 Coils (6 Windings) Enable Dual Voltage
The ability to have dual voltage (e.g., 230V/460V, 208-230/460, 240/480, 480/575) comes directly from being able to connect the two windings per phase in series or in parallel.
High Voltage (Series)
When the windings in each phase are connected in series, the motor is wired for the higher voltage. The voltage across each winding is less, but the total voltage across the series is higher.
Low Voltage (Parallel)
When the windings in each phase are connected in parallel, the motor is wired for the lower voltage. Each winding gets the full applied voltage, but the current is shared between the windings.
Why 9 Coils Won't Work for Dual Voltage (Generally)
You're right to question the possibility of dual-voltage with 9 coils. A 9-coil motor would have 3 coils per phase. You'd then have to figure out how to connect these for dual voltage, which leads to an issue. With a 9 coil motor you have 3 coils per phase and would then have to connect them with parallel series configuration, which doesn't work very well, at least on paper. You'd essentially have 3 coils in series then in parallel, or something else that would generally not work.
Important Considerations
Motor Nameplate
Always refer to the motor nameplate for the correct voltage and wiring configuration. The manufacturer will have clearly documented the correct connections.
Internal Connections
Remember that in a 9-lead motor, the manufacturer has made some connections internally. You don't have access to those intermediate points. You only have the 9 leads to work with.
In Summary Most dual-voltage three-phase motors (9-lead or 12-lead) use 12 coils arranged into 6 windings. This is what allows for the series/parallel connection needed for dual-voltage operation.* While technically you could envision other configurations, the 12-coil (6 winding) design is the standard for dual-voltage because it provides the most straightforward and balanced way to achieve the different voltage levels.Let me know if you'd like a specific wiring diagram example! Flag for review