User: TwoBlocked, Location: Bradford County, PA
Asked on: Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 5:54 am EDT
Answered on: Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 5:54 am EDT
Question: I have seen conductors ground out and blow fuses due to vibration in rigid conduit installed in class I div 2 areas. As per code, the conduit is not sealed because the entire run is within the classified area, and terminates in enclosures with devices acceptable in CID2 areas. When examining the damaged conductors, it is obvious that significant arcing takes place. Of course if in the middle of a conduit run there was, by design, open contacts that spark when opening or closing, conduit seals would be required. And of course the grounding fault is NOT by design. Yet it could still be expected. (And occurs often enough to BE expected). Forgive me for not going into more detail. I have pics I don't feel I am at liberty to post.Soooo .... , I will be involved in installing conduit and wire in a similar situation. Doing so is acceptable and expected, but I don't feel good about it. Am considering pushing for sealing these conduit runs. If I do, I expect there to be push back because if (when) the same fault occurs, there will be a much longer period of down time to repair the fault. another option is to install some sort of hardened cable, instead of ordinary conductors.Oh, there will not be detailed specs given that need to be followed.Comments?
This is a tough situation and you're right to be concerned. Here's a breakdown of the issues, potential solutions, and things to consider
Understanding the Problem:
Vibration and Rigid Conduit
Vibration is the core issue. Rigid conduit, while strong, can still transmit vibration, causing conductors to rub against the conduit walls, eventually wearing down insulation and leading to short circuits (ground faults).
Class I, Division 2 Area
This classification means ignitable concentrations of flammable gases, vapors, or liquids are not normally present, but may exist accidentally. While less strict than Division 1, the potential for explosion is still a real concern.
No Seals Due to Entire Run Being Within CID2
This is code-compliant
if the terminations are suitable for CID2 and the internal volume and spark-producing device requirements are met. However, it doesn't address the mechanical issue of conductor abrasion. Arcing
The visible arcing confirms that the fault is indeed creating a potential ignition source.
Downtime vs. Safety
This is the classic conflict. Preventing faults minimizes downtime in the long run, even if the initial repair might take slightly longer.
Lack of Detailed Specs
This gives you some leeway to advocate for safer solutions, but it also means you'll need to build a strong case.
Why Sealing is a Good Idea (Despite Potential Pushback)
Containment of Explosion
If an arc ignites a flammable atmosphere within the conduit system, seals can help contain the explosion to a smaller area, potentially preventing a larger catastrophe. This is the primary goal of seals in hazardous locations.
Prevention of Flame Propagation
Seals prevent the propagation of flames and hot gases through the conduit system.
Reduced Oxygen/Ignition
By containing the possible ignition source, the probability of an event is lowered.
Peace of Mind
Knowing you've taken extra precautions is valuable, especially in safety-critical environments.
Why Sealing Might Meet Resistance
Downtime
Replacing a sealed fitting in a hazardous location after a fault takes longer because of the need to re-seal it properly.
Cost
Seals and their associated installation labor add to the project's cost.
Other Solutions and Considerations
Hardened Cable (e.g., MC-HL)
This is an excellent alternative to standard conductors in conduit.
Advantages
Resistant to abrasion. The metallic jacket provides an additional layer of protection and grounding. Flexible and easier to install in some situations. Available with various insulation types to withstand specific chemical exposures.
Disadvantages
More expensive than standard conductors. Requires appropriate fittings rated for hazardous locations and cable type.
Cable Tray with Approved Cable
If possible, explore using cable tray instead of conduit. Ensure the cable is suitable for hazardous locations and the cable tray is properly grounded and supported.
Vibration Isolation
Elastomeric Conduit Hangers
These hangers absorb vibration before it reaches the conduit system.
Flexible Conduit Sections
Strategically placed flexible conduit sections can help dampen vibration. Ensure these are explosion-proof and suitable for the hazardous location.
Regular Inspection and Maintenance
Implement a routine inspection program to identify and address potential issues before they lead to failures. This is especially important with vibration.
Proper Conduit Installation
Support Spacing
Adhere to the recommended support spacing for rigid conduit to minimize flexing and vibration.
Tight Joints
Ensure all conduit joints are properly tightened to prevent loosening due to vibration.
Conductor Selection
Use conductors with insulation rated for the operating temperature and environment. Some insulations are more abrasion-resistant than others (e.g., cross-linked polyethylene (XLPE) vs. PVC).
Oversized Conduit
Slightly increasing the conduit size can provide more space for conductors to move without rubbing against the walls.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of your design decisions, materials used, and installation procedures. This documentation is crucial for future maintenance and troubleshooting and can protect you if something goes wrong.
Consider a Variance
If you feel strongly about sealing the conduits but anticipate significant resistance, explore the possibility of requesting a variance from the local Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ). You'll need to present a well-reasoned argument and demonstrate how the proposed solution improves safety.
How to Push for Seals/Better Solutions
Present Data
Show your history and photos (even if only to internal management, as you are concerned about broader distribution) of failures related to vibration and conduit. Quantify the cost of downtime and repairs.2.
Focus on Safety
Emphasize the potential consequences of an explosion and how seals or hardened cable can mitigate the risk.3.
Cost-Benefit Analysis
Compare the initial cost of sealing or using hardened cable to the long-term cost of downtime, repairs, and potential safety incidents. Factor in the cost of inspections.4.
Code Compliance
Clearly explain how the proposed solution meets or exceeds code requirements. Refer to relevant sections of the NEC (National Electrical Code) and any applicable local codes.5.
Offer Alternatives
Present multiple options, each with its pros and cons, allowing decision-makers to choose the best solution for the specific situation. (e.g., seals everywhere vs seals at these critical points)6.
Involve Experts
Consult with a qualified electrical engineer or hazardous location specialist to get their input and support for your recommendations.7.
Document Your Concerns
If your recommendations are rejected, document your concerns in writing. This protects you in case of a future incident.
Example Argument for Seals
"While sealing the entire conduit run is not strictly required by code because the terminations are suitable for Class I, Division 2, the historical data shows a high incidence of conductor failures due to vibration-induced abrasion. These failures create a significant risk of arcing, which could ignite a flammable atmosphere within the conduit system. Installing seals at strategic locations (e.g., entry points to enclosures) will contain any potential explosions and prevent flame propagation, significantly improving safety. While the initial cost of the seals is higher, the long-term cost of downtime, repairs, and potential safety incidents outweighs the initial investment. Furthermore, seals will reduce the opportunity for oxygen to enter the conduit, lowering the probability of ignition."
Important Considerations
AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction)
The AHJ has the final say on what is acceptable. Communicate with them early in the process.
Manufacturer's Instructions
Always follow the manufacturer's instructions for installing seals, cable, and fittings.
Grounding
Ensure proper grounding of all components, including conduit, cable jackets, and enclosures.*
Training: Ensure that all personnel involved in the installation and maintenance of the electrical system are properly trained on hazardous location requirements.This is a complex situation, and there's no single "right" answer. Your goal should be to advocate for the safest and most reliable solution possible, while considering the practical constraints of the project. Good luck! Flag for review