User: dvcraven052256, Location: St. Louis, missouri
Asked on: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 8:50 am EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 8:51 am EDT
Question: I am in the process of changing out an existing 1200Amp 480/277V, 3Ph, 4W service and replacing with the same size.In essence the existing service is stand alone 1200a with CT and PT built into cabinet with 1220Amp MCB. We are mounting a new J-box adjacent to the existing J-box to make room to splice the feed thru conductors. The MTS (manual transfer switch) will feed a new 1200amp MCB w/feed thru lugs as shown. This will allow for us to use the new 1200a panel MCB as the means of disconnect so we can prep the new service. The existing will be demolished once the new service is installed.I will need to coordinate shutdowns with the utility to perform the work. I have attached a overall riser diagram and wiring diagram for reference. I would like your thoughts if the wiring diagram show on E2.0 accurately reflects my intent.Your thought are most appreciated.Dan Craven
Okay, Dan, I've reviewed your riser diagram and wiring diagram (E2.0). Here are my thoughts, focusing on accuracy and potential issues
Overall Impressions:
The diagram generally reflects your stated intent of replacing an existing service while maintaining power to the building for as long as possible using a temporary manual transfer switch and the new panel's MCB as a means of disconnect.
Specific Observations and Recommendations
General Clarity
The diagram is generally clear, but some labels could be more precise for less ambiguity.
J-Box Connections
You should be clear that the J-boxes are only being used for wire splicing and not for any disconnects.
Neutral/Ground Connections
Critical Consideration
Double check Neutral and Ground Connections. Confirm if the neutral and ground bars are bonded in
both the existing service and the new service. If so, the neutral/ground bond must be removed from one of the service entrances once the new service is energized and the old service is to be demolished. If left unaddressed a parrallel ground current will exist. CTs and PTs
Ensure the new CTs and PTs have the same ratio and accuracy class as the existing ones. The utility might have specific requirements on these.
Short-Circuit Current Rating (SCCR)
Verify that all components in your new setup (MTS, panel, breakers, J-Boxes, etc.) have an adequate SCCR to handle the available fault current at your service entrance. This is critical for safety and code compliance. You'll likely need a short-circuit study to determine the available fault current.
Wire Sizing
The wire size feeding the load in the J-box, confirm they are properly sized for the 1200A load and voltage drop considerations. Also, consider the parallel conductor requirements in NEC 310.10(H).
Conduit Sizing and Fill
Ensure conduit sizes are adequate for the conductors being pulled through them, considering conduit fill requirements (NEC Chapter 9).
Equipment Grounding Conductors (EGCs)
Ensure EGCs are appropriately sized and connected to all enclosures and equipment.
Labeling
Excellent that you're labeling everything. Ensure the labeling is durable and meets code requirements (e.g., clearly identifying the "Temporary" nature of connections).
Coordination with Utility
Talk to the utility early and often. They will need to approve your plan, provide specific disconnect/reconnect procedures, and might have specific requirements for the CTs/PTs and grounding.
Safety Procedures
Documented safety procedures are critical. Include lock-out/tag-out procedures.
Testing
Plan for thorough testing after each stage (e.g., before connecting the load to the new service) and before demolishing the old service. Testing should include insulation resistance (megger) tests, phase rotation checks, and voltage measurements.
Step-by-step Procedures
Create a detailed, step-by-step procedure for each stage of the process. This will minimize errors and improve safety.
Regarding E2.0 Specifically
"Feed Thru Lugs"
It's good you specified "feed thru lugs" on the new 1200A MCB. Make sure the lugs are rated for the correct wire size and number of conductors.
Key Concerns and Questions
Arc Flash Hazard
Changing out a service of this size presents a significant arc flash hazard. A detailed arc flash hazard assessment is essential. Ensure workers are wearing appropriate PPE, and consider using remote switching or other methods to reduce the risk.
Contingency Plan
Have a contingency plan in place for potential problems during the switchover (e.g., if the new service doesn't work as expected).
Recommendations Before Proceeding
Get Approval
Obtain approval for your plan from the utility, the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction, i.e., your local electrical inspector), and your internal engineering team.2.
Comprehensive Review
Have a qualified electrical engineer thoroughly review your design, diagrams, and procedures.3.
Risk Assessment
Conduct a formal risk assessment to identify potential hazards and develop mitigation strategies.4.
Clear Communication
Maintain clear and open communication with all stakeholders throughout the project.By paying close attention to these details, you can ensure a safe and successful service upgrade.
Disclaimer: I am an AI Chatbot. This information is for general guidance only and should not be considered professional electrical engineering advice. Always consult with qualified professionals for specific project requirements. Flag for review