User: sparkync, Location: North Carolina
Asked on: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 11:36 am EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 11:39 am EDT
Question: I've got a job where someone prior to me wire (2) 5 speed "Ironton" ceiling fans in a warehouse on (1) 5 speed fan controlthat was made for these particular fans.The controls are melted, and upon further research, I found out that the manufacturer doesn't recommend putting more than 1 on the controller. The fan and controllers are from Manufacturer in China. The controllers as far as I know now, cannot be purchased locally. Looks like if we're going to get new controls they would have to be shipped from China. My question is: if I can use an industrial grade "variable speed" controller that is rated for the proper load, to take the place of these melted controllers? I'm waiting for a response through the retailer to get an answer from the China manufacturer, but of course IF they do get back with me, they're going to say I have to use theirs, then I'll have to pay a "humongous price" to have it shipped from China, then of course no warranty since there are 2 fans wire on the controller. It's not feasible to take one of the fans off the controller, since the fans are about 20 ft in the air, wired in conduit in a warehouse, etc.What's your thoughts on this? The fan is made to run on 5 separate speeds.Thanks for your input. I don't want to invest the owners money on something that will not work on this type of fan.Thanks again.
Okay, this is a common and frustrating situation. Let's break down the problem and explore some solutions, focusing on safety and functionality.
Understanding the Problem Fan Controller Limitations
The original manufacturer clearly states that each controller is designed for only one fan. Overloading it by wiring two fans in parallel is the direct cause of the melting. The controller is undersized for the load.
Unknown Fan Motor Type
The type of motor matters significantly when choosing a replacement controller. The most common type of AC motor in ceiling fans is a
split-capacitor induction motor for which a variable frequency drive cannot be used. Proprietary Control (Likely)
The 5-speed control suggests that the original controllers aren't simple rheostats (variable resistors). They're likely switching between different capacitor taps or winding configurations within the motor to achieve different speeds. This means you can't just throw any "variable speed" controller at it.
Shipping/Warranty Concerns
As you pointed out, sourcing replacements from China introduces cost, time, and warranty headaches.
Complexity of Installation
The height and conduit wiring add significantly to the labor cost of any solution.
Your Question: Can you use an industrial-grade variable speed controller?
The answer is: Potentially, but with significant caveats and investigation required.
Here's a more detailed breakdown
1. Determining the Motor Type:
Crucial! You absolutely must determine the type of motor used in these fans. Contacting the manufacturer is a good starting point, but don't rely solely on that. Look for any markings on the motor itself, if possible. A split-capacitor induction motor is the most common type in ceiling fans, and if it is, you're limited to a controller that switches between windings or capacitor taps to control the speed. Likely Answer
Given that it is a 5-speed fan, it is not likely that they are using a universal motor, meaning that a dimmer switch will not work.
2. Researching Appropriate Replacement Controllers
Industrial Grade DOES NOT equal correct! Industrial-grade controllers are designed for various motor types and applications. You need one specifically designed for split-capacitor induction motors if that's what the fans use, which is very likely. Look for "Ceiling Fan Speed Controls" NOT "Motor Speed Controllers"
Searching for general motor speed controllers will yield many unsuitable options. Focus your search on controllers designed for ceiling fans.
Voltage and Amperage
Make sure the voltage matches your supply voltage (most likely 120V in the US). The amperage rating of the controller must be at least twice the full load amperage (FLA) of both fans combined. You'll find the FLA on the motor nameplate of each fan.
Compatibility
Check the manual for the motors of your ceiling fans. They might state the appropriate method of controlling the speeds.
3. Considerations for Two Fans on One Controller
Load Calculation is Critical
As you've already seen, overloading the controller will lead to failure and potentially fire hazards. Calculate the total power draw of both fans at the highest speed setting. The controller must be rated to handle at least this amount.
Balanced Load
Ideally, both fans should be identical to ensure they draw roughly the same current. This is less critical if the controller is significantly oversized, but it's still good practice.
Wiring
Use appropriately sized wiring for the total current draw. Consider using a junction box near the controller and splitting the wiring from there to each fan.
Safety First
Ensure proper grounding of the fans and controller. Install a fuse or circuit breaker sized appropriately for the controller's rating to protect the circuit.
4. Alternative Solutions to Consider
Individual Controls
The most reliable (but possibly most expensive) solution is to install separate controls for each fan. This eliminates the overloading issue entirely. You could explore options like:
Two Standard Ceiling Fan Controls
These are readily available at any hardware store. You'd need to run a separate wire for each fan back to a location where you can mount two standard ceiling fan controls.
Wireless Ceiling Fan Controls
These offer convenience and can be easier to install (less wiring), but ensure they are rated for the fan's amperage and are of good quality.
Smart Fan Controllers
If you want more advanced control (e.g., remote control, integration with smart home systems), consider smart ceiling fan controllers. Again, ensure they are compatible with your motor type and rated for the load.
5. Steps to Take Before Purchasing Anything
Identify the motor type. Look for markings or contact the manufacturer. This is non-negotiable.2. Find the FLA (Full Load Amperage) on each fan motor. Note this down.3. Calculate the total FLA: Fan 1 FLA + Fan 2 FLA = Total FLA.4. Research ceiling fan speed controllers that are compatible with your motor type and rated for at least twice the Total FLA. (Oversizing helps with longevity and prevents overheating.)5. Inspect the existing wiring
Ensure it's in good condition and appropriately sized for the total amperage.6.
Consult a qualified electrician
Before making any changes, discuss your plans with a licensed electrician. They can assess the situation, verify your calculations, and ensure that the installation is safe and code-compliant.
In Summary:
While it might* be possible to use an industrial-grade variable speed controller, it's not a simple swap. Careful research, accurate load calculations, and professional installation are essential. The safer and often more reliable option is to install separate controls for each fan. Always prioritize safety and consult with a qualified electrician before making any electrical modifications. Flag for review