User: jhachris, Location: NY
Asked on: Thursday, July 24, 2025 at 7:41 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, July 24, 2025 at 7:44 am EDT
Question: Hey guys,I know this topic has been addressed many times in the forum and I feel I have a good idea of swimming pool equipotential bonding but I wanted to run a scenario I'm dealing with by you guys to see if you could offer any insight and or confirm what I'm thinking.In ground pool. Probably 30 years old. On the water. One metal ladder and metal one pool light. Client reported tingling in the deep end near the pool light. Checked everything near the pool equipment bonding wise - all good. Pump is GFCI protected. Sure enough I found about 1.5 volts from the metal pool light shell - underwater - to the surface of the water when I stretch my leads as far as they can go (about 3-4 feet). I know you are supposed to drain the pool to test pool light bonding but we haven't gotten that far. I have about .5 volts from the metal ladder to the water. The ladder has continuity to the bond wire near the pool equipment. I found the EGC for the light connected to the brass pipe and brass pool light junction box so I disconnected that, ran a dedicated bonding conductor and reconnected everything so that the pool light shell now has continuity to the bond wire - no change. Light on or off - no change. Kill power to pool subpanel and disconnect ground and neutral conductors - no change. Shut the entire property down via 400 amp disconnect - no change and, on the load side of the disconnect with the breaker off I'm getting 27 volts to ground on phase 1 and 17 to ground on phase 2 which I think is strange. Anyway, there's obviously some stray voltage issue in the ground either from the utility or neighbors property that is finding its way to the pool light shell.The issue I'm having is that Mike says in the pool bonding video that as long as something metal in the pool is bonded then the water is bonded but... at the same time says that if a metal ladder is bonded and the pool shell is not that then there will be voltage entering the pool at a gradient if the ladder becomes energized. Therefore if the ladder is bonded the pool water is not bonded because the pool water resistance is too high. I think based on what I'm finding here is that the pool shell bond (or bond in general) has been compromised because I have a difference of potential between the metal pool light and the water. I don't want to tell the client they have to rip everything up but I realize that might be the case.I was going to try and experiment with a few things - maybe run a bond wire to a ground rod and stick that in the water in an attempt to bond the water and see if that changes anything. Let me know what you guys would do.
Okay, this is a complex and potentially dangerous situation. You've done a lot of good troubleshooting, but let's break this down and focus on safety and Code compliance
Key Concerns & Dangers:
Stray Voltage
The voltage readings you're getting between the pool light shell/ladder and the water are a serious shock hazard. Even low voltage can be dangerous, especially in water. The tingling the client is experiencing is a warning sign.
Equipotential Bonding System Failure
It seems the original equipotential bonding system is either degraded, incomplete, or compromised. This is the most likely source of your problems.
Underground Fault
The fact that you're getting voltage even with the main disconnect off is extremely concerning. This points to an external source of stray voltage from the utility grid or a neighboring property.
Analyzing Your Troubleshooting
Voltage Disappearance When Disconnected
As you indicated this is likely NOT a problem on the load side as you still have voltage after disconnecting ground, neutral and power.2.
GFCI Protection of the Pump
While good, GFCI protection on the pump won't address stray voltage issues within the pool itself. GFCIs protect against ground faults in the pump motor and wiring, not voltage gradients in the water.3.
Dedicated Bonding Conductor to Light
Good effort to isolate the light and provide a direct bond. The fact that it didn't change the voltage reading is telling.4.
Utility Disconnect Effect
That is strange. The utility disconnect cutting power should eliminate the load side of your electrical as a cause.
Next Steps - Prioritized for Safety
IMMEDIATE WARNING
Tell the client
in writing that the pool is a potential shock hazard and should NOT BE USED until the problem is resolved. This is critical for liability protection.2. Utility Notification
Contact the utility company immediately. Report the stray voltage and that you've traced it to the grounding system. They have specialized equipment and expertise to identify and correct external stray voltage problems on the power grid. They also have specialized people who test for stray voltage around livestock.3.
Re-inspect Bonding Connections
With power OFF, carefully examine
all bonding connections around the pool, pool equipment, and pool structure. Look for corrosion, loose connections, broken wires, or anything that might interrupt the bond. Check the connection to the rebar (if applicable) using an earth ground tester (not just a continuity tester). Verify the integrity of the bond wire itself. It may be corroded underground. Carefully inspect the brass conduit of the light niche in the pool shell. They are known to fail over time and become porous.4. Comprehensive Bonding Upgrade
Regardless of what you find above, strongly recommend a complete bonding system upgrade to meet current NEC standards. This typically involves: A solid #8 AWG copper bonding grid encompassing all metallic parts within 5 feet of the pool. This includes: Pool rebar (if present) Metal pool light niche/housing Metal ladder Metal handrails Metal diving board supports Pump motor housing Any other metallic objects within 5 feet All connections must be made using listed bonding connectors.5.
Water Bonding Is a Myth (for compliance)
There is no such thing as bonding the water in a pool. There is no Code requirement for a metal rod to be suspended in the water.6.
Do NOT Install a Ground Rod in the Pool Water
This is extremely dangerous and a violation of the NEC. You would essentially be creating a pathway for fault current to flow directly into the water.7.
Testing After Repair
Once the bonding system is upgraded, and the utility has addressed the stray voltage, you
must perform thorough testing to ensure the problem is resolved: Voltage Measurement
Measure the voltage between the pool water and any metal part of the pool equipment, ladder, or surrounding grounded objects. Ideally, this should be very close to zero.
Continuity Testing
Verify continuity between all bonded parts.
Ground Fault Testing
With the pool equipment running, use a clamp-on ammeter to check for excessive current on the bonding conductor. This could indicate a ground fault.
Have a Professional Test
Have the utility company check for stray voltage.
Important Considerations
NEC 680
Familiarize yourself with Article 680 of the National Electrical Code, which covers swimming pools and spas.
Local Codes
Check with your local building department for any specific requirements.
Liability
Document everything you do, including your warnings to the client, your troubleshooting steps, and the results of your testing. Consider having a qualified electrical engineer review your work.
The Mike Holt Quote & Your Interpretation
Your interpretation of Mike Holt's statements is correct. Here's why it's crucial:
Bonding Creates Equipotential
The purpose of equipotential bonding is to create a zone where all metallic parts are at the same electrical potential. This minimizes the risk of shock if someone touches two different metal parts simultaneously.*
Compromised Bonding = Voltage Gradients
If the bonding is incomplete or compromised, voltage gradients can develop in the pool area. This means that the voltage between two points in the water or between the water and a metal object can be significantly different.
In Conclusion:
This is a serious situation requiring immediate action. Safety is paramount. Don't take shortcuts, and don't hesitate to seek help from qualified professionals. The client may need to rip up the deck to replace the copper bonding wire, especially if it is a wire grid encompassing the entire perimeter. The utility company MUST investigate the stray voltage problem. Flag for review