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Topic: Negligent Landlord Situation (Commercial Lease)

User: jbellino, Location: Central Florida

Asked on: Monday, July 28, 2025 at 7:48 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, July 28, 2025 at 7:49 pm EDT

Question: Hello gents,I am an IBEW journeyman/foreman, and I attend a church in south Orlando, FL that is currently leasing a crappy commercial space with even crappier Federal Pacific panels. Recently, I was told that the (2) AC rooftop units were not working, and that the display on both thermostats corresponding to them inside were dead. An HVAC guy came by to look at the units, and he said the problem was that the main breaker on the panel they were fed from would not properly reset. When I was asked to go look at it to see if there was at least a temporary solution for the weekend services (it was last Friday), this is what I saw after taking the panel cover off (check out C phase):I locked out the 125A feeder breaker from the main panel outside which feeds the 125A main breaker in *this* panel, and decided that I'd better opt out of touching it as far as repairs were concerned; I am licensed and know how to do the work, but I don't have my own bonded an insured business, so I figured the landlord should be dealing with this. This was strongly encouraged by a couple of my elders in the trade as well. The landord is clearly cheap and sleazy, given the state that he left the building in when we moved in, and the fact that he avoids repairing or paying for anything like the plague. So I'd certainly rather not work with someone like that unless I have the proper protection in place.Later on, I get a call from the landlord's maintenance guy, asking me about the situation, and why the main panel feeder breaker was locked out. I explained everything to him, and told him it was a miracle that the building didn't burn down. As soon as he approached the inside panel he could smell it.So with that, I heard over the weekend that the landlord would be having someone take care of the panel swap this week. I found out today (Monday) that this same maintenance guy I spoke to over the phone previously is in fact the one who is going to be doing the panel swap. He had some understanding of electrical, but definitely didn't seem to have enough knowledge to be a competent electrician. He asked me if the replacement panel would also need a 125A main disconnect breaker like the existing one. I told him no, but that the panel itself needed to be rated for at least 125A. I told him that the subfeeds needed to also be replaced, and he told me that he planned to leave subfeed the wires and just swap the panel out. I told him that the subfeed wires absolutely needed to be replaced because due to the heat (especially on C phase), they were now compromised. He said that was going to be a problem because the landlord was definitely not going to want to pay for that. I told him, "well, he needs to, because that's a hazard and those feeds can't be trusted anymore." He asked me how to size replacement feeds, so I told him what he would need for everything in copper THHN. That's the last I spoke to him, and have yet to receive any updates.I don't know what the status is at the moment, but I'm prepared to potentially encounter a few different things:A. The landlord refused to replace the subfeeds altogetherB. The maintenance guy replaces the subfeeds & panel, but does a subpar job and there are code violations within the installC. I keep getting asked about how to do a proper install even though I'm not being paid for thisBasically, we're in a situation where we may end up having to take legal action. Fortunately I can identify code violations, and we have two lawyers who are members of this parish. I'm wondering if any of you have dealt with something like this before? Any advice on handling a situation like this? This is the first time I've dealt with this kind of thing, and I want to make sure we play our cards right. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.Thank you,-Jesse

Jesse, you're in a tough spot, but you're handling it responsibly. Here's a breakdown of how to navigate this potentially dangerous situation, drawing on experience from others who've faced similar issues

Your Assessment is Spot-On
Smart to Back Away

You made the right call by not doing the repair yourself without the proper business structure (insurance, bonding, etc.). You protect yourself and the church from liability.


Compromised Wiring

Your assessment of the subfeeds is accurate. Overheated conductors have damaged insulation and potentially weakened strands. They must be replaced.

Cheap Landlord

This is the core problem. Landlords who prioritize saving money over safety are a recipe for disaster.

Immediate Actions and Considerations
1. Document Everything

This is crucial for any potential legal action.


Photos

Take many, detailed photos of the damaged panel, the overheated wiring, and any other relevant observations.

Written Record

Keep a log of all conversations (dates, times, who you spoke to, what was discussed), including what the maintenance guy said and what you advised.


HVAC Tech's Report

Obtain a written report from the HVAC technician who initially identified the problem. This adds credibility to your concerns.2.

Focus on Safety

The priority is preventing a fire or injury.

Keep it Locked Out

Ensure the feeder breaker to that panel remains locked out until the repair is verified as safe and compliant.


Communicate the Danger

Clearly and firmly communicate in writing to the landlord (and copy the church leadership) that operating the electrical system in its current condition poses an imminent fire and safety hazard. Be blunt. Don't mince words.3.

Code Enforcement

This is often your best leverage.

Inform Code Enforcement

Call your local city/county building department and report the dangerous electrical condition. Explain that the landlord is aware of the hazard but may be attempting a substandard repair. This forces the landlord to get permits and inspections. Be prepared to provide documentation (photos, your log).


Certified Electrician Required

Insist that a licensed electrical contractor pull the permit and do the work. The landlord might try to skirt this, but code enforcement can prevent it.

How to Handle the Potential Scenarios
Scenario A: Landlord Refuses to Replace Subfeeds Immediate Action

This is a non-starter. If the landlord refuses, inform the church leadership immediately and reiterate the imminent danger in writing.

Code Enforcement (Again)

Escalate the issue to code enforcement. Show them the photos of the damaged wiring.


Legal Consultation

This is where the church's lawyer-members become involved. They can send a demand letter to the landlord outlining the legal consequences of failing to address the safety hazard.

Consider Alternative Locations

If the landlord remains unresponsive and the building is deemed unsafe, the church may need to consider temporarily relocating services until the electrical issue is resolved. Safety is paramount.


Scenario B: Subpar Job with Code Violations
Inspection

Regardless of who does the work,
demand an inspection by the local building department. Attend the inspection yourself with your camera ready.

Document Violations

Carefully document any code violations you observe (incorrect wire gauge, improper connections, lack of grounding, etc.).

Report Violations

Report the violations to the inspector and follow up to ensure they are corrected.


Third-Party Inspection

If you're concerned about the inspector being lenient, consider hiring a private, independent electrical inspector to review the work.

Scenario C: Continued Requests for Advice
Politely Decline

You're a good Samaritan, but you're not being paid, and you're not the responsible party. Politely but firmly decline to offer further advice.

Refer to a Professional

Tell the maintenance guy to consult with a licensed electrician. "I've given you some initial guidance, but this needs to be handled by a qualified professional with the proper licensing and insurance."


Focus on Your Church's Interests

Remind yourself that your responsibility is to protect the church and its members from harm.

Legal Considerations
Negligence

If the landlord is aware of the dangerous electrical condition and fails to take reasonable steps to correct it, they could be held liable for negligence if someone is injured or property is damaged.


Breach of Lease

The lease agreement likely contains clauses requiring the landlord to maintain the property in a safe and habitable condition. Failing to address a known safety hazard could be a breach of the lease.

Constructive Eviction

If the building becomes uninhabitable due to the landlord's negligence, the church may have grounds to terminate the lease without penalty.

Key Takeaways
Safety First

Prioritize the safety of the church's members.

Documentation is King

Meticulously document everything.


Leverage Code Enforcement

They are your most powerful ally.

Don't Be Afraid to Escalate

If the landlord is unresponsive, don't hesitate to involve code enforcement, lawyers, and church leadership.


Protect Yourself:
Avoid performing any work yourself without the proper licensing and insurance.This is a challenging situation, but by being proactive, documenting everything, and leveraging the appropriate resources, you can help ensure the safety of your church and its members. Good luck, Jesse. You're doing the right thing. Flag for review

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