User: nymtns, Location: Well north of NYC, well south of Canada
Asked on: Monday, July 28, 2025 at 11:09 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, July 28, 2025 at 11:45 pm EDT
Question: I ran into an odd situation at a property a friend inherited. There are 3 structures on the lot, each about 100' apart, and a swimming pool.The utility service comes in at one corner of the lot and originally ran underground 100' from the last pole to the main house, which had a 200A disconnect with a neutral bonding jumper installed.From the main panel in that house, there was a feeder to a shed - with no EGC - the outbuilding had two rods and, again (no green wire in the feeder) the bonding jumper installed in its subpanel, which I understand was good per code at that time. This bonding jumper has been removed by others (see below), which I question, since there is no EGC in the feeder cable.From there to the swimming pool runs another feeder without ground, and at the pool, there's a 6 space panel for the pool pump and heater, again with a rod, a bonding jumper to neutral (this one still connected), and what appears to be proper bonding of the pool equipment, rebar in the pool deck, and fence.Some time in the 1990s, two changes were made.1) A detached garage was constructed on the corner of the lot where the service enters, and the SE moved there. Two new rods were driven and neutral and ground bonded in the new service entrance panel. The original buried service entrance cable (again: no ground wire!) was reused to feed the main house. The bonding jumper was removed from the original service disconnect at the main house.2) Rodents nested in the subpanel in the outbuilding between the main house and pool, which started a small fire. The subpanel was replaced and the jumper between neutral and ground was not installed in the new subpanel.So the situation now looks like:SE panel at garage (with rods and jumper)-feeder without EGC->Main House (with rod and water pipe ground)->feeder without EGC->shed (with rods, no jumper)->feeder without EGC->pool (rod plus CEE, jumper).Not on the menu: digging up all the feeders. The grounding rods are actually in decent shape except at the shed, where I'll replace them - noticing the shed subpanel was "too new" and not jumpered as I would have expected for this era of construction was what made me look at all the rest actually. What's the right, code-compliant path forward?
Okay, this is a complex situation with a lot of historical baggage. You've accurately identified several code violations and potential safety hazards. Let's break down the issues and discuss solutions, keeping in mind the constraint of not replacing the underground feeders. I'll reference the NEC as a guide, but always confirm with your local AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) for their specific requirements.
Core Problems
Multiple Grounding Electrode Systems Connected by Ungrounded Feeders
This is the primary problem. Each building effectively has its own grounding electrode system (rods) but no equipment grounding conductor (EGC) connecting them back to the service. This creates a situation where fault current cannot effectively return to the source (the SE panel) to trip a breaker. This is VERY dangerous. Faults can energize conductive surfaces and create shock hazards.
Reliance on Earth as a Fault Current Path
The grounding rods are not intended to carry fault current. They're primarily for stabilizing voltage and handling lightning strikes. Relying on them for fault clearing is extremely unreliable and dangerous.
Subpanel Neutral/Ground Bonding
Bonding neutral and ground at subpanels is a recipe for circulating neutral currents through the grounding system and creating objectionable currents. You've correctly identified that it's only sometimes correct in the historical context you've laid out.
Ungrounded Feeders (Lack of EGC)
This is the root cause of many of the problems.
Analysis of the Current Situation, Building by Building
Garage (Service Entrance)
Status
Good to have the SE panel properly bonded with rods and a neutral-ground bonding jumper.2.
Main House
Issue
Fed by an ungrounded feeder from the Garage SE. You say there is a rod and a water pipe ground, but you have not described how these are connected to the electrical panel or the equipment in the house. Having a separate rod and a water pipe ground is useless without a properly sized EGC connecting them back to the source of power!
The Fix
This is the most difficult to answer without knowing the full details of the "water pipe ground" and rod. The bare minimum is a properly sized grounding electrode conductor (GEC) from the panel to the rod and water pipe. But there is no way to make the situation compliant without digging up the feeder and installing an EGC.3.
Shed
Issue
Fed by an ungrounded feeder. Has rods, and the neutral/ground are not bonded (which is currently correct).
The Fix
Similar to the main house, you need a properly sized GEC running from the subpanel to the rods. This makes it the most "safe" that it can be without an EGC in the feeder cable. But there is no way to make the situation compliant without digging up the feeder and installing an EGC.4.
Pool
Issue
Fed by an ungrounded feeder. Has a rod plus a concrete encased electrode (CEE), which is good. Neutral/ground is bonded (incorrect).
The Fix
Remove the neutral-ground bonding jumper in the pool panel. Ensure the pool equipment, rebar, and fence are all properly bonded together and connected to the equipment grounding bus. While not code compliant, the CEE and the rod improve the likelihood that a fault will ground, and with all of the pool equipment bonded together, it limits the opportunity for differential potentials to develop. There is no way to make the situation compliant without digging up the feeder and installing an EGC.
The (Unsatisfactory) Solutions, Given the Constraints
Given the hard constraint of not digging up the feeders, the solutions below are about mitigating the danger, not achieving full code compliance.
These solutions are NOT ideal and DO NOT eliminate the shock hazard. They are compromises.
Here's the GENERAL approach, broken down into steps
Properly Size Grounding Electrode Conductors (GECs)
At each building (Main House, Shed, Pool), you MUST install a grounding electrode conductor (GEC) from the grounding bus in the panel to the grounding electrode(s) (rods, CEE, water pipe).
This GEC must be sized according to NEC Table 250.66, based on the size of the service entrance conductors at the Garage (SE panel). Do not undersize these GECs. This is crucial for minimizing voltage potential differences between the structures.2.
Ensure Rods are Properly Installed and in Good Condition
Driven deep enough, spaced properly, and connected with appropriate clamps.3.
Remove All Subpanel Neutral/Ground Bonds
Except at the service entrance (Garage) panel, the neutral and ground must be kept separate. This eliminates the possibility of neutral current flowing through the grounding system.
This means you MUST remove the neutral-ground bonding jumper at the Pool panel.4.
Bonding (Especially at the Pool)
Ensure all metallic parts that could become energized are bonded together with a solid copper conductor. This includes: Pool pump housing Heater housing Metal conduit Rebar in the pool deck (as you mentioned) Metal fence sections within reach of the pool Any other exposed metal items5.
GFCI Protection
As much as possible, provide GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter) protection for circuits serving outlets and equipment in the Main House, Shed, and especially the Pool area. GFCIs will help to detect and interrupt ground faults, even if the grounding system isn't perfect.
For the pool, GFCI protection is required by code for many (if not all) circuits.
Important Considerations and Caveats
THIS IS NOT CODE COMPLIANT
I cannot stress this enough. You are working with a compromised system. The lack of an EGC in the feeders is a fundamental safety flaw.
Potential for Objectionable Current
Even with the neutral/ground bonds removed from the subpanels, there's still a possibility of objectionable current flowing through the grounding system due to the long distances and the impedance of the earth.
Professional Inspection
Strongly recommend having a qualified electrician inspect the entire system after you've made these modifications. They can perform tests to verify the grounding system's effectiveness and identify any remaining hazards.
Future Upgrade
Make a plan to eventually replace the underground feeders with properly sized cables that include an equipment grounding conductor. This is the only way to truly make the system safe and code-compliant.
Disclosure
If your friend ever sells the property, they MUST disclose the electrical system's deficiencies to potential buyers.
Local Codes Prevail
Always check with your local AHJ for their specific requirements. They may have additional rules or interpretations of the NEC that apply to your situation.
Specific Questions You Raised
Removing the Bonding Jumper in the Shed Subpanel
Yes, removing the bonding jumper was the correct thing to do given the existing ungrounded feeder. With no EGC, bonding neutral and ground creates a parallel path for neutral current.
In summary: This situation requires a pragmatic approach. While you can't fully fix the underlying problem without replacing the feeders, you can take steps to mitigate the hazards and improve the overall safety of the system. The key is to focus on bonding, GFCI protection, and ensuring a robust grounding electrode system at each building, all while remembering that this is a temporary solution and that replacing the feeders should be a high priority for the future. Consult with a qualified electrician and your local AHJ before making any changes. Flag for review