User: WAGuy58, Location: Edmonds, WA
Asked on: Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 11:01 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 11:27 am EDT
Question: I have a client that wants to add a solar powered light inside a shed 200+ feet from his house. He doesn't want to run a line to the shed. The shed doesn't have any windows and it is fairly dark during the day time which makes it difficult to locate smallish items on the shelves. He wants to be able to put a mechanical spring timer (15 min) inside the shed so he can turn the light on during the day and have it turn off automatically so it doesn't run down the batteries and leave the unit in an uncharged state.Most solar outdoor/shed lights are motion activated and also have a photoelectric switch (PE) so that the light only comes on when it is dark outside. These units mount the PE switch on the solar collector unit which is mounted outside of the shed -- allowing it only to be operable at night. They incorporate the PE switch because they use 18650 lithium batteries which can get damaged if they are being charged and discharged at the same time. This is another reason why they put the PE switch outside.Is there any such thing as a mechanical timer with two load terminals. with load 1 being continuous continuity (ie. in the battery charge state) until the timer is activated which switches the continuity to load 2 (the light)? The two loads must be mutually exclusive - essentially a SPDT switch.
You've identified the core problem well: the built-in limitations of standard solar shed lights due to the battery charging/discharging risks and the photoelectric switch tied to the outdoor solar panel. Your idea of a specialized mechanical timer to circumvent this is clever.Let's break down the solution and explore some options
Understanding the Requirements
SPDT Functionality
You need a timer that acts as a Single-Pole, Double-Throw (SPDT) switch. In the "off" state, it connects the battery to the solar charger. When the timer is activated, it disconnects the charger and connects the battery to the light.
Mechanical Timer
You want a mechanical timer, not a digital one.
15-Minute Resolution
The timer should be able to be set in increments of 15 minutes or less.
Reliability
Mechanical timers are usually quite reliable, which is a good choice for this application.
Low Voltage DC
The timer needs to handle the low voltage DC current of the solar system (probably 3.7V or 7.4V from the battery).
Possible Solutions & Considerations1. Relay-Based Solution with a Standard Mechanical Timer
This is likely the most feasible and robust approach:
Components
A standard mechanical 15-minute timer. A low-voltage (e.g., 5V or 12V) SPDT Relay. The relay's coil voltage should be easily achievable (e.g., you might use a USB power adapter for the relay coil). A small power supply for the relay coil. (5V USB adapter)
Wiring
Timer Activation
Wire the mechanical timer to control the relay coil. When the timer is "on," it energizes the relay coil.2.
Relay Contacts
The SPDT relay contacts become your switching mechanism.
Common (COM)
Connect the battery (+) to the common terminal of the relay.
Normally Closed (NC)
Connect the normally closed terminal of the relay to the solar charge controller input. This is your "charging" state.
Normally Open (NO)
Connect the normally open terminal of the relay to the (+) input of your light. This is your "light on" state.
How it Works
When the timer is off, the relay is in its "normal" state. The battery is connected to the solar charger (NC contact). When you turn the timer on, the relay is energized, switching the battery connection from the charger to the light (NO contact).
Advantages
Standard parts are readily available and inexpensive. Relays can handle the current load without problems. Reliable solution. The timer is not directly switching the battery current.
Disadvantages
Requires some basic wiring skills. Adds complexity compared to a single component. Requires a small separate power supply for the relay coil.2.
Finding a Specialized Mechanical Timer (Highly Unlikely)
While theoretically possible, finding a mechanical timer with SPDT contacts specifically designed for low-voltage DC and with the load separation you need is extremely unlikely. Mechanical timers are generally designed for higher voltage AC circuits. Even if you did find one, it would probably be expensive and difficult to source. The relay solution is almost certainly the better path.3.
DIY Electronics Project (More Complex)
You could design a circuit using a microcontroller (like an Arduino) and a relay to achieve this. The microcontroller would control the relay based on a timer. This is a significantly more advanced project that requires electronics design, programming, and prototyping skills. It's not recommended unless you're already comfortable with these areas.4.
Modified Solar Light (Requires Disassembly & Rework)
Concept
If you're willing to take apart an existing solar light, you could potentially modify the circuit.
Challenges
Battery Protection
You'd need to ensure proper overcharge and over-discharge protection for the lithium battery if you're bypassing the built-in circuitry. Lithium batteries can be dangerous if mishandled.
PE Switch Removal/Bypass
You'd need to disconnect or bypass the photoelectric switch entirely.
Wiring in a Standard Timer
You'd still need to incorporate a relay to provide the SPDT switching function and then use the timer to energize the relay coil.
Downsides
Voids the warranty. Risk of damaging the solar light. Requires soldering and electronic skills. May not be reliable.
Recommendation
The relay-based solution with a standard mechanical timer is by far the most practical, reliable, and cost-effective approach. It gives you the functionality you need without requiring specialized or hard-to-find components.
Steps to Implement the Relay Solution1. Purchase the Components
Mechanical 15-minute timer. Look for one that is small, easy to mount, and easy to set. Low-voltage SPDT Relay (5V or 12V coil). Choose one with screw terminals for easy wiring. Small Power Supply for Relay Coil: (USB adapter) A project box to contain the relay and timer. Appropriate gauge wire.2.
Mount the Components
Mount the timer and relay inside the project box.3.
Wiring
Carefully wire the components as described above. Double-check your wiring before applying power.4.
Testing
Test the system to ensure it works as expected.5.
Integration
Connect the battery, solar panel, and light to the timer/relay box.6.
Installation
Mount the solar panel outside the shed, run the wiring to the timer box inside the shed, and connect the light.
Important Safety Considerations
Lithium Battery Safety
If you are ever working directly with lithium batteries or modifying a solar light's charging circuit, be extremely careful. Lithium batteries can overheat, catch fire, or explode if they are overcharged, over-discharged, short-circuited, or damaged. Always research and follow safety precautions.
Wiring Safety
Ensure all wiring connections are secure and insulated to prevent shorts.
Professional Help: If you are not comfortable with electrical wiring, hire a qualified electrician to perform the work. Flag for review