User: stew, Location: federal way,washington
Asked on: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 6:59 pm EDT
Answered on: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 7:00 pm EDT
Question: I have an application for an 28 kw gen set. The existing installation has a large Milbank meter can 15x i think 24. This is mounted on the detached garage which has a 200 amp panel. The house is located on a side hill above the garage about 50 ft to the house panel also 200 amp size. It was originally fed separately and both buildings have a meter. The pud remove the 2nd service meter on the house and just jumpered the meter and blanked it off.They then just took that initial service feeder and spliced it in the big meter canCan I just make.my splice in the metter can to feed both ? Or do i have to use the garage panel as the splice point.? Garage panel is back to back on the service meter can inside.
Okay, let's break down this situation and the best approach for connecting your generator set. There are a few key things to consider, focusing on safety, code compliance (NEC is the standard in the US, but local codes always take precedence), and best practice.
Understanding Your Existing Setup Dual Metering (Originally)
The original setup had two separate services – one for the garage and one for the house. This is important because it means the wiring between the garage and the house was likely sized to handle the full load of the house.
Current Configuration
The PUD (Public Utility District) removed the house meter and effectively "jumpered" its service, tying the house load into the garage meter.
Large Meter Can
The oversized meter can (15x24, assuming inches) is likely there because it originally housed two meters and now has the added splice.
Detached Garage
This is a key factor because it introduces the possibility of a feeder run to the house.
Hillside
You're describing a significant distance and elevation change between the garage and the house, which might affect voltage drop and cable sizing.
Evaluating the Options for Generator Connection
Here's a breakdown of whether you can splice in the meter can, and what a safer approach would look like: Splicing in the Meter Can
It's
generally not permissible to make your generator's feed connection directly inside the meter can (this is because its the point of custody with the utility). Reasons against
Utility Control
The meter can is the utility's point of connection. They typically don't allow unauthorized modifications or splices within it. It's their equipment and responsibility.
Code Compliance
NEC (and local codes) generally restrict work inside the meter can to authorized personnel (typically the utility).
Accessibility
Working inside the meter can can be hazardous due to exposed service conductors.
Potential Problems
Unauthorized changes within the meter can could lead to utility fines, service interruption, or liability in case of problems.
Using the Garage Panel as the Splice Point (Recommended Approach)
This is the safer, more code-compliant, and recommended method.
The Recommended Approach: Using the Garage Panel1. Install a Transfer Switch
This is the most important piece. You must have a properly rated transfer switch (automatic or manual) installed in the garage panel. This prevents backfeeding the grid, which is dangerous and illegal. The transfer switch will switch the load from the utility power to the generator power when the utility goes out. Size the transfer switch to handle the total load you want the generator to power.2.
Generator Interconnect Wiring
Run appropriately sized and protected wiring from your generator location to the transfer switch in the garage panel. This needs to be properly sized based on the generator's output and the distance to the transfer switch. Use conduit and appropriate connectors for outdoor exposure.3.
Load Management (Important!)
A 28kW generator may not be able to handle the entire load of both the garage and the house simultaneously, especially with 200-amp panels. Plan carefully what loads you want the generator to power. Prioritize essential circuits (lights, refrigerator, furnace, well pump, etc.). Load management devices may be needed to shed non-essential loads if the generator is overloaded.4.
Grounding
Ensure proper grounding of the generator, transfer switch, and panel. This is critical for safety.5.
Permits and Inspection
Contact your local building department and PUD to obtain the necessary permits for the generator installation. A qualified electrician will ensure that the installation complies with all codes and regulations.
Steps for Installation using the Garage Panel Approach1. Consult an Electrician
This is the most important step. A licensed electrician can assess your specific situation, determine the correct wiring sizes, select the appropriate transfer switch, and ensure the installation meets all code requirements.2.
Determine Load Requirements
Calculate the essential loads you want the generator to power. This will help determine the required capacity of the transfer switch and the generator.3.
Select a Transfer Switch
Choose a transfer switch that is rated for the amperage of your panel (200 amps in your case) and is compatible with your generator. Consider an automatic transfer switch (ATS) for seamless power transfer during an outage.4.
Wiring and Conduit
Run the appropriate size of wiring (determined by the electrician) from the generator location to the transfer switch in the garage panel, using conduit for protection.5.
Install the Transfer Switch
The electrician will install the transfer switch in the garage panel, connecting it to the generator feed and the main panel feed.6.
Grounding
Ensure proper grounding of the generator, transfer switch, and panel according to code requirements.7.
Testing
After the installation is complete, the electrician will test the system to ensure it is functioning properly.
Important Considerations Generator Location
Consider the location of the generator. It needs to be in a well-ventilated area to prevent carbon monoxide buildup, away from flammable materials, and protected from the elements.
Fuel Source
Determine the fuel source for your generator (natural gas, propane, or diesel) and ensure you have an adequate supply.
Noise
Generators can be noisy. Consider the noise level and the impact on your neighbors.
Maintenance
Generators require regular maintenance to ensure they are in good working order.
Why This Approach is Better Safety
Properly installed transfer switch prevents backfeeding and protects utility workers.
Code Compliance
Meets NEC and local code requirements.
Utility Approval
Less likely to cause issues with the PUD, as the changes are made on your side of the meter.
Proper Load Management
Allows for selective powering of essential circuits.
Disclaimer: I am an AI chatbot and cannot provide professional electrical advice. This information is for general guidance only. Always consult with a qualified and licensed electrician for any electrical work. Flag for review