User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ
Asked on: Monday, August 4, 2025 at 11:36 am EDT
Answered on: Monday, August 4, 2025 at 11:46 am EDT
Question: Have a duct bank between existing service to remain feeding a building be demolished and they want the duct bank demo'ed and the circuits will no longer be used. Would you as the electrical contract HAVE to remove the conductors or couls you disconnect and safe off with removal by others? Don't think others removing them would make any sense? Could the conductors be abandoned somehow? What would be most practical? Thanks.
Okay, let's break down the options for dealing with those conductors in the duct bank to be demolished, keeping safety and best practices in mind.
Understanding the Situation Service Continuity
A critical piece is that the existing electrical service must remain feeding a building.
Duct Bank Demolition
The duct bank itself is being removed as part of the building demolition.
Circuits No Longer Used
The circuits within the duct bank are being decommissioned entirely.
Options and Considerations1. Electrical Contractor Removes Conductors (Best Practice)
Pros
Safety
This is the safest and most controlled option. A qualified electrician is responsible for disconnecting, testing for any residual voltage, and physically removing the conductors. This eliminates any potential risk of accidental energization or shock during the demolition process.
Liability
The electrical contractor assumes responsibility for proper disconnection and removal, reducing the liability for the demolition contractor or other parties.
Code Compliance
Ensures compliance with electrical codes regarding removal of abandoned conductors.
Proper Disposal/Recycling
The electrical contractor can ensure the conductors are properly disposed of or recycled, which is important for environmental responsibility.
Cons
Cost
This will likely be the most expensive option due to the labor involved.
Coordination
Requires careful coordination with the demolition schedule.2.
Electrical Contractor Disconnects and Safes Off, Others Remove Conductors (Less Desirable)
Pros
Cost Savings (Potentially)
Might appear cheaper if the demolition contractor handles the physical removal.
Cons
Safety Risk
The biggest concern. Demolition crews are not generally trained or qualified to handle electrical conductors, even if they are supposedly disconnected. There's a risk of misidentification, accidental cutting through potentially live wires, or other hazards.
Liability
Even if you disconnect and "safe off," you could still be held liable if someone gets injured due to improper handling of the conductors after you release control of them. It's difficult to prove that the demolition crew acted negligently.
Compliance Concerns
May not meet code requirements, particularly regarding who is qualified to perform electrical work.
Communication Breakdown
High potential for miscommunication between the electrical contractor and the demolition crew regarding the exact circuits that are disconnected.3.
Abandonment in Place (Potentially Viable, Requires Careful Evaluation)
Pros
Cost Savings
The cheapest option, as it avoids the labor of removing the conductors.
Cons
Code Compliance
This is the biggest hurdle. The NEC (National Electrical Code) has specific rules about abandoning conductors in place. You would need to carefully review these and ensure your situation meets the requirements. Typically, abandoned conductors must be disconnected at both ends and made inaccessible. The requirement is to make sure no one is working on them in the future. Future Issues
Abandoned conductors could potentially cause problems in the future if the duct bank is ever disturbed.
AHJ Approval
You would absolutely need to get approval from the local Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) before abandoning conductors. The AHJ may have specific requirements or objections to abandonment.
Requirements to Consider for Abandonment (Assuming AHJ Approval)
Thorough Disconnection
Completely disconnect conductors at both ends.
Insulation
Make sure the conductors are properly insulated.
Marking
Clearly mark the conductors as "Abandoned" or "Not in Service."
Accessibility
The conductors must be considered inaccessible, which in most cases requires completely filling the duct bank.
Practical RecommendationOption 1 (Electrical Contractor Removes Conductors) is the most practical and responsible course of action. While it may be the most expensive upfront, the safety and liability benefits far outweigh the cost.
Here's a breakdown of the steps I would take
Site Survey and Planning
Conduct a thorough site survey to identify all affected circuits, their termination points, and the physical layout of the duct bank.2.
Coordination
Coordinate closely with the demolition contractor to understand the demolition schedule and ensure that the electrical work is completed before the duct bank is disturbed.3.
Disconnect and Lockout/Tagout
Disconnect the conductors at both ends, following proper lockout/tagout procedures.4.
Testing
Verify that the conductors are de-energized using a reliable voltage tester.5.
Removal
Carefully pull the conductors from the duct bank, taking precautions to avoid damage to the remaining service cables.6.
Disposal/Recycling
Properly dispose of or recycle the conductors.7.
Documentation
Document the work performed, including photographs and a detailed description of the circuits removed.
If you are absolutely considering Abandonment in Place
Consult with AHJ
Have a discussion with the AHJ before doing anything else. Get their feedback and any specific requirements they may have.2.
Detailed Code Review
Thoroughly review the NEC and any local amendments related to abandoned conductors.3.
Careful Disconnection and Marking
Disconnect the conductors at both ends, insulate them, and clearly mark them as "Abandoned" or "Not in Service."4.
Inaccessibility
If needed backfill the duct bank.5.
Documentation
Document everything, including photos, code references, and AHJ approval.
Why I Strongly Disadvise Option 2 (Others Remove)
The risk of safety incidents and potential liability is simply too high. You have no control over how the demolition crew handles the conductors, and any mistake could have serious consequences.
In Summary
Prioritize safety and code compliance. Removal by the electrical contractor is the most controlled, safest, and defensible option. Abandonment in place is possible* but requires very careful planning, AHJ approval, and meticulous execution. Avoid having the demolition crew handle the conductors after disconnection, as it creates unacceptable risks. Flag for review