User: Randy S., Location: Northern illinois
Asked on: Friday, April 1, 2011 at 10:23 am EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 3:36 am EDT
Question: One of the large chillers I am responsible for is VFD driven and powered by an ungrounded 480 delta, This is in the 500 HP range. We have seen some unusual dark spots on the motor windings, and unusual wear on the motor shaft thrust ring and bearing surface. The motor megs fine, and was additionally tested by a very reputable motor shop.I'd like to hear from those knowledgeable about VFDs on an ungrounded system.I know that more than one manufacturer advises to not use their VFD on an ungrounded system, since ther is no real ground reference in the system, and fault current would be phase to phase, not necessarilly phase to ground unless there were ground faults on more than one phase. We have found no signs of unintentional grounding, but the anaomalies I wrote of remain.Thanks to all for your comments.
Unusual Dark Spots on Motor Windings Bearings insulation failure
Inadequate grounding or insulation failure in the bearings can cause stray currents to flow through the motor windings, leading to arc erosion and darkened spots.
Electrostatic discharge
On an ungrounded system, static electricity can accumulate on the motor windings, causing electrical discharges that can damage the insulation and create dark spots.
VFD harmonics
VFDs produce harmonics that can create additional current flow in the motor windings, which can lead to overheating and insulation damage.
Unusual Wear on Motor Shaft Thrust Ring and Bearing Surface VFD-induced shaft currents
VFDs can introduce circulating currents in the motor shaft, which can cause wear on the thrust ring and bearing surface.
Harmonics-induced vibrations
VFD harmonics can amplify vibrations, which can increase stress on the motor shaft and bearings, leading to premature wear.
Eccentric load
If the chiller is not properly balanced or aligned, it can create eccentric loads on the motor shaft, causing excessive wear on the thrust ring and bearing surface.
Recommendations for an Ungrounded System Use a VFD specifically designed for ungrounded systems
These VFDs incorporate special features to mitigate the risks associated with operating on an ungrounded system.
Ensure proper grounding
Provide a suitable grounding path for the VFD and motor, even though the system is nominally ungrounded. This can be achieved through a ground fault detector or a residual current device (RCD).
Inspect the motor regularly
Perform periodic inspections of the motor windings and bearings to detect any signs of damage or unusual wear.
Consider using a shaft grounding ring
A shaft grounding ring can help to dissipate circulating currents and reduce the risk of shaft damage.
Monitor harmonic levels
Use a harmonic analyzer to measure the harmonic content in the power system and ensure that it is within acceptable limits.
Additional Considerations It is important to note that while the motor may meg fine, it does not necessarily rule out insulation damage. Insulation damage can sometimes be intermittent or localized, making it difficult to detect with standard megger tests.* The unusual symptoms you describe could be indicative of a combination of factors, including VFD harmonics, bearing insulation issues, and potential shaft currents. A thorough investigation is necessary to identify the root cause and implement appropriate mitigation measures. Flag for review