User: Flying Wireman, Location: Chicago
Asked on: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 9:04 pm EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 9:04 pm EDT
Question: 400A underground meter, single family homePoco rep came out and told me that I don't have 18" away from the railing (see pic) and that I need to move the meter fitting about 1' over to the left.I attached the POCO file with outdoor horizontal clearances, because I don't think the rep is correct.All the dimensions required by POCO refers to wall/ or adjacent corner wall, and (clearly ?) a rail is not a wall by any definition. What if instead of a rail, I would've installed a protective post/ barrier? Required clearances in front of the meter are 30" wide, 36" deep, and 80" in height per POCO.I'm having a meeting with the POCO supervisor tomorrow, because moving the meter fitting is not exactly a viable or cheap option.I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions.
You're right to question the POCO rep. Based on the document you provided, the rep's assertion about the railing likely isn't accurate. Here's a breakdown of why, and how to approach the meeting with the supervisor
Why the POCO Rep is likely incorrect (based on the provided document):
"Wall" Definition
You are correct. The document refers to clearances from walls or adjacent corner walls. A railing, protective post, or barrier is not a wall. Walls provide structural enclosure to the house, and railings do not.
Working Space Requirements
The POCO document emphasizes the 30" wide, 36" deep, and 80" high working space. As long as that space is clear in front of the meter, and the meter is accessible without special means, you're likely in compliance.
Arguments to make in the meeting with the POCO Supervisor
Clarify "Wall" Definition
Start by politely asking the supervisor to define "wall" as it pertains to the clearance requirements. Emphasize that the railing is not a structural or enclosure component of the building. Point out that the document consistently uses "wall" in reference to the building structure itself.2.
Working Space Compliance
Clearly state that the required 30" wide, 36" deep, and 80" high working space in front of the meter is unobstructed. Show them the image of the installation again. It's clear from the picture that the 30x36x80 space is there and code-compliant.3.
Alternative Protection Analogy
Use the "protective post/barrier" analogy. Ask if they would require the same 18" clearance if you had installed a single, sturdy post in the same location as the railing. If they say no (which is likely), highlight the inconsistency of treating the railing differently.4.
Safety vs. Practicality
Emphasize that your installation prioritizes safety. The railing itself could be considered a safety barrier in some ways (preventing someone from accidentally bumping into the meter). Explain the difficulty and expense of moving the meter fitting. Moving a 400A underground service is a significant undertaking.5.
Request a Written Clarification
After the discussion, politely request a written clarification of the POCO's interpretation of the clearance requirements in your specific situation. This provides you with a formal record.
How to Approach the Meeting
Be Respectful
Even if you disagree, maintain a polite and respectful tone throughout the meeting. Anger will not help your case.
Be Prepared
Bring a printed copy of the POCO document, the photo of your installation, and a sketch illustrating the dimensions.
Be Clear
State your case concisely and logically.
Listen Actively
Pay attention to the supervisor's responses and address their concerns directly.
Document Everything
Take notes during the meeting, including the names of everyone present and the key points discussed.
Important Considerations
Local Codes
While the POCO document is your primary reference, also check your local city or county electrical codes. Sometimes, local jurisdictions have stricter requirements than the utility.
Consult a Licensed Electrician
If the POCO remains insistent, consider getting a written opinion from a licensed and respected electrician in your area. The electrician can attest to the code compliance of your installation and may be able to influence the POCO's decision.
Escalation
If the meeting with the supervisor is unsuccessful, ask about the POCO's escalation process. There may be a higher-level authority you can appeal to.
In summary, you have a strong argument based on the provided documentation. By being prepared, respectful, and clear in your communication, you have a good chance of resolving this issue without having to move the meter fitting. Flag for review