User: ackc99, Location: reno
Asked on: Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 3:56 pm EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 4:36 pm EDT
Question: Ive got a decade of electrical experience. But not much in wells. One of the wires on my fixer upper house is arcing at the top of the well casing. From what I understand the insulation on 30 year old well pump wires is common to degrade. Especially if the install wasnt proper. Also, the green ground/earth/bond (depending on your country) is just raw and hanging in the well case?I can easily splice in new wire with appropriate splices. But the devil is in the details. How tight should the wires be down to the pump? These wires are so tight, I cant pull any slack. I thought the pump hangs on a device on the side of the casing? Perhaps the pvc stretched over 30 years and pulled the wires too tight?So pull the pump up for some slack? Splice in new wire. Lower pump back onto the attachment?https://imgur.com/a/k53kpkU
Okay, you've got a potentially dangerous situation, and you're right to proceed carefully. Here's a breakdown of how to tackle this, considering your electrical background
Safety First!
TURN OFF THE BREAKER supplying power to the well pump BEFORE DOING ANYTHING. Double-check with a multimeter to ensure it's dead. Assume it's live until you prove otherwise. Lockout/Tagout
If others have access to the panel, use a lockout/tagout procedure to ensure the breaker stays off.
Understanding the Problem Arcing Wire
The arcing is a HUGE red flag. It's a fire hazard, and it's likely caused by insulation failure on the wire due to age and/or moisture.
Ground Wire in Casing
The bare ground wire hanging in the well casing is completely wrong. It's ineffective as a ground, and it could even contribute to corrosion of the casing.
Tight Wires
The tension on the wires is also a problem. It stresses the connections and makes future repairs difficult.
The Correct Approach1. Assess the Situation (Before Pulling Anything)
Pump Type
If you know the manufacturer and model of your pump, you can potentially access documentation that specifies wire type, connection methods, and hanging procedures.
Well Depth
If possible, try to determine the approximate well depth. This will help you estimate the amount of wire you'll need.
Casing Integrity
Inspect the well casing itself. Any cracks, corrosion, or other damage could be a sign of larger problems.
Electrical Components
Note the location and type of any electrical components near the wellhead, such as a pressure switch or control box.
Wire Size
Determine the existing wire size. You will need to replace with the same or larger AWG.
Wire Type
Most submersible pumps use submersible well pump cable. It is designed for constant submersion.2.
Pulling the Pump (The Right Way)
Support
Before disconnecting anything at the top, you must have a way to support the pump and its wiring. The weight of the pump and water-filled column of pipe can be significant. If the pump is suspended on a hanging device on the side of the well casing (typical), make sure that this device is in good condition and can support the weight. Have a rope or chain hoist handy as a backup, should the device on the side of the casing fail.
Disconnect
With the pump supported, disconnect the wiring at the top.
Slow and Steady
Carefully and slowly pull the pump up.
Marking
As you pull the pump up, mark the PVC pipe (or whatever pipe material is used) at regular intervals (e.g., every 5 feet) so you know how much pipe you've pulled. This will be crucial when you put it back in.
Support the Pipe
As you pull the pipe up, support it to avoid putting strain on the casing or the wires. You might need a helper for this.
Inspect the Pipe
Check the pipe for cracks, leaks, or damage. If you find anything, replace it.3.
Addressing the Tight Wire
Yes, pull the pump
You're right; you need slack. Pulling the pump is the only way to get it.
Possible Causes of Tightness
Pipe Stretch
PVC can stretch over time, but that's less likely than the wire slipping in the connections at the pump.
Improper Installation
The most likely culprit is that the wire wasn't installed with enough slack originally.
Sagging Pipe
The pipe could have bowed in the well.4.
Splicing and Wiring Submersible Pump Cable
Absolutely use only submersible pump cable for any new wiring inside the well. This is specially designed for constant submersion and won't degrade like standard electrical wire.
Proper Splices
Use submersible-rated splices (typically epoxy-filled or heat-shrink with sealant). These create a waterproof seal.
Do NOT use wire nuts or standard electrical tape. These will fail quickly in a well environment. Some people prefer epoxy-filled splices because they are very reliable. Others like heat-shrink because they are easier to install. Choose the type you are most comfortable with, but make sure they are rated for submersible pumps. Stagger Splices
Stagger your splices so that the bulk of the connections isn't all in one spot. This helps with flexibility.
Ground Wire
DO NOT just leave the ground wire hanging in the casing. That does nothing. Connect the ground wire from the pump cable to the ground lug in the control box (if there is one) or to a proper grounding point in the electrical panel that feeds the pump circuit. Securing Wires
Secure the submersible cable to the pipe at intervals using waterproof cable ties. This prevents the weight of the cable from pulling on the splices.
Slack
Leave plenty of slack at the pump connection. You want the wire to have some give so that it's not constantly under tension.5.
Lowering the Pump Slowly
Lower the pump slowly and carefully.
Keep Wire Straight
Make sure the wires don't get tangled or pinched as you lower the pump.
Use the Marks
Use the marks you made on the pipe to ensure you lower the pump to the same depth it was before.
Secure at Top
Reconnect the wiring at the top, making sure all connections are tight and properly insulated.
Important Considerations Local Codes
Check your local electrical codes for any specific requirements regarding well pump wiring and grounding.
Professional Help
If you're not comfortable with any part of this process, don't hesitate to call a licensed electrician or a qualified well pump technician. Water and electricity are a dangerous combination.
Pump Age
If the pump is 30 years old, it might be nearing the end of its lifespan anyway. Consider replacing the pump while you have it out. It could save you a lot of trouble in the long run.*
Well Inspection
Consider having a professional well inspection done. This can identify any other potential problems with the well, such as low water flow or contamination.
In Summary
You're right to be cautious. Follow these steps carefully, use the right materials, and don't hesitate to seek professional help if needed. Addressing the arcing wire and improper grounding is crucial for safety and the longevity of your well system. Good luck! Flag for review