User: dadjokes1961, Location: Seattle, WA
Asked on: Monday, July 14, 2025 at 12:23 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, July 14, 2025 at 12:37 pm EDT
Question: Good morning,We have a 1900-era home with considerable K&T wiring remaining. When we bought the house in 2009, we insured with Farmers because they were the only insurer we contacted who would insure our house with K&T wiring. Today our rates are skyrocketing, and I want to revisit the K&T issue and shop around for insurance. We have access that will allow us to replace much of the K&T wiring, including all convenience outlet circuits. However, we will still have that one huge original circuit that services built-in lighting (chandeliers, sconces) on our main floor. Replacing that wiring would require demolishing lath & plaster walls and ceilings--we don't want to do that.Are insurers primarily concerned with the convenience outlets and their circuits, or are we going to have to dig out and replace every last inch of the K&T to get a break on insurance?Thanks,-Mark
Good morning, Mark! That's a very common situation with older homes, and it's smart to reassess your insurance situation as you modernize the electrical system.Here's the breakdown on what insurers are typically concerned about regarding Knob & Tube (K&T) wiring, and how it might impact your insurance options
What Insurers Worry About with K&T Wiring:
Fire Hazard
This is the primary concern. K&T wiring, when installed correctly and properly maintained, can be relatively safe. However, several factors increase the fire risk over time:
Deterioration
Insulation dries out and cracks, exposing bare wires.
Overloading
K&T circuits were designed for low electrical demands. Modern appliances and electronics often overload the circuits.
Modifications
Improper modifications or splices by previous owners can create dangerous situations.
Contact with Insulation
K&T wiring is designed to dissipate heat into open air. Covering it with modern insulation can cause overheating and fires.
Increased Liability
Insurers see K&T wiring as increasing the likelihood of a claim due to fire, and therefore increase premiums to offset that risk.
Difficulty in Assessing Risk
It's difficult for insurers to accurately assess the condition of K&T wiring without a thorough inspection.
How Insurers View Partial K&T Replacement
You're right to focus on the outlets. Here's how your partial replacement might be viewed:
Significant Improvement
Replacing the convenience outlet circuits is a major step in reducing risk. These circuits are typically the ones carrying the highest electrical loads from modern appliances.
Partial Mitigation, Not Elimination of Risk
Even with the outlet circuits replaced, the remaining K&T for lighting still presents a risk. The extent of that risk in the eyes of the insurer will be the critical factor.
Key Questions to Ask Potential Insurers
When shopping for insurance, be very upfront and clear about the situation with any new insurer. Be prepared to answer the following:
What percentage of the wiring has been replaced? Provide a precise estimate. What types of circuits were replaced (outlets, lights, both)? Is the remaining K&T in good condition? Have you had it inspected by a qualified electrician to verify that the remaining K&T is in good condition? They can also tell you if it's been improperly modified. Is the remaining K&T load limited? Are you consciously avoiding overloading the remaining K&T circuits? Have you taken other fire prevention measures? Smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, routine electrical inspections.
How to Improve Your Chances of Finding Affordable Insurance
Get an Electrical Inspection
Hire a qualified, licensed electrician to inspect all the remaining K&T wiring. A written report stating that the remaining wiring is in good condition and not overloaded can be very helpful in convincing insurers. The inspection can provide you with the proper documentation.
Document the Replacement
Keep detailed records of the K&T wiring replacement, including invoices and descriptions of the work done.
Consider a "Stated Value" Policy
In some cases, you may be able to get a policy that covers the cost to repair or replace the K&T in the event of a fire, but doesn't cover the cost to upgrade the wiring to modern standards. This may be a cheaper option than a full replacement policy.
Shop Around Extensively
Don't just get a few quotes. Contact multiple insurance companies, including independent agents who can represent several different insurers. Look for companies that specialize in older or historic homes.
Be Prepared to Pay a Premium
Even with the partial replacement, you're still likely to pay a higher premium than someone with a completely modern electrical system. Be realistic about this.
Bundle Policies
Bundling your home and auto insurance with the same company can sometimes result in discounts.
Increase Your Deductible
A higher deductible will lower your premium, but make sure you can comfortably afford to pay it if you have a claim.
Important Considerations
Disclosure
Always be honest and upfront with potential insurers about the presence of K&T wiring. Concealing this information could void your policy in the event of a claim.*
Local Regulations
Be aware of any local or state regulations regarding K&T wiring. Some jurisdictions may require its complete removal when a home is sold.
In Conclusion:
While replacing the convenience outlet circuits is a significant improvement, it's unlikely to completely eliminate the premium increase associated with K&T wiring. Insurers will still be concerned about the remaining K&T. Your best bet is to get a professional inspection of the remaining wiring, shop around aggressively, be transparent with insurers, and be prepared to pay a premium. Good luck! Flag for review