User: Sierrasparky, Location: USA
Asked on: Friday, July 18, 2025 at 10:36 am EDT
Answered on: Friday, July 18, 2025 at 10:55 am EDT
Question: Hello all, been some time.I have been asked to check out a commercial pool equipment room for upgrades. I am concerned a service upgrade will be required.To calculate the pump motor loads it is my understanding we take the nameplate rating and since they operate for over 3 hours continuously we add that.Is it reasonable not use the continuous adder for the jet motors as they are on a timer for say 30 min. Yes it can be turned on multiple times.Also these are Variable speed pumps so they only will see full HP at startup, Run speeds are generally less 3/4 rated full. It seems all these variable pumps are 3 HP lately.Thanks
Alright, let's break down the electrical load calculations for your commercial pool equipment upgrade, considering the continuous operation and variable speed aspects of the pumps.1. Continuous Load Considerations (NEC Article 210.19 & 215.3)
General Rule
The National Electrical Code (NEC) generally requires you to size conductors and overcurrent protection for 125% of the continuous load. A continuous load is defined as a load that operates for 3 hours or more.
Pool Pumps
Pool pumps, when run for 3 hours or more, are considered continuous loads. This definitely applies to your primary circulation pumps. You MUST account for the 125% continuous load factor for those.
Jet Motors (Intermittent Use)
This is where your scenario gets more interesting. Since the jets motors are timer controlled for 30 minutes on/off, it would be reasonable to assume these would not be used for a continuous 3 hour period. The code does mention "the maximum period the load is expected to operate without interruption", it appears this would be 30 minutes. Therefore the 125% additive would not be required.
However
Document your reasoning in your calculations. This is key in case of inspection or future issues.
Worst-Case Scenario Thinking
Consider the possibility (even if unlikely) that someone could manually override the timer and run the jet pumps continuously. If the system design allows this, you might have to consider them continuous.
2. Calculating Motor Loads (NEC Article 430)
Nameplate vs. Actual Current
NEC Article 430 governs motor circuits.
Important
You must use the motor nameplate Full Load Amps (FLA) for calculations of the circuit. This is a code requirement.
Applying Continuous Load Factor (for continuous pumps)
Multiply the FLA by 1.25.
Variable Speed Drives (VFDs)
This adds complexity.
Nameplate FLA is Still Key
You still start with the nameplate FLA for the pump motor. This is your worst-case current draw.
VFD Input Current
Check the VFD's documentation. VFDs aren't 100% efficient. The input current to the VFD will be higher than the calculated output current to the motor. Use the VFD input current for your service calculations. The VFD's documentation should give you this value (often in amps).
Diversity Factor/Reduced Running Load (Proceed with Caution!)
The fact that the pumps run at reduced speed most of the time is useful after you have properly sized the conductors and overcurrent protection.
NEC 220.100 Load Calculations. Consider the diversity factor of the pump motors, the NEC allows for reducing loads "When the authority having jurisdiction grants permission". You may have to prove these motors wont be running together on the same time. Starting Current/Inrush
VFDs generally reduce inrush current compared to across-the-line starters. However, you still need to consider the VFD manufacturer's recommendations for inrush, especially if the VFD has a bypass.
3. Demand Factors and Load Diversity
Diversity
This is a huge factor in pool equipment rooms. It's unlikely all pumps will run at full speed simultaneously.
Document Everything
Document everything. Get operating schedules, typical usage patterns, and any control system logic that limits simultaneous operation. This documentation is your justification for applying demand factors.
Consult with the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction)
This is crucial. The AHJ has the final say on what demand factors are acceptable. Talk to them early in the process.
NEC Guidance
The NEC does not have specific demand factors for pool equipment. You'll need to justify your choices based on the specific installation and operating characteristics.
4. Additional Loads
Heaters
Electric heaters are a major load. Factor these in. Gas heaters will still have control circuits that draw power.
Lighting
Include the lighting load for the equipment room.
Other Equipment
Any other equipment in the room (e.g., chemical feeders, UV systems, etc.) needs to be included.
5. Service Upgrade Considerations
Existing Service Capacity
Accurately determine the existing service's capacity. Check the main breaker size, transformer kVA rating, and conductor sizes.
Available Capacity
Calculate how much capacity is currently being used. A load study can be helpful here.
Compare
Compare the existing capacity to your calculated new load. If the new load exceeds the existing capacity, a service upgrade is likely needed.
Panel Capacity
Even if the service has enough capacity, the existing panel might not have enough available breaker spaces.
Future Expansion
Consider potential future additions or upgrades when sizing the service.
Example Scenario (Simplified)
Let's say you have: Two 3 HP VFD-controlled circulation pumps. Nameplate FLA = 10A each. VFD Input Current = 12A each. One 1.5 HP jet pump. Nameplate FLA = 5A.
1.
Circulation Pumps
Continuous Load: Yes. Calculated Load per Pump: 12A 1.25 = 15A Total Circulation Pump Load: 15A 2 = 30A2.
Jet Pump
Continuous Load: No (Assuming timers prevent continuous operation). Calculated Load: 5A3.
Total Motor Load (Ignoring other equipment for simplicity)
30A + 5A = 35A4.
Possible Demand Factor
Let's hypothetically say you get approval from the AHJ to apply a 75% demand factor to the total motor load (based on documented operating schedules). Adjusted Total Motor Load: 35A 0.75 = 26.25A
Important Considerations
Safety
Always prioritize safety when working with electrical systems.
Qualified Professional
If you're not a qualified electrician or electrical engineer, consult with one. This work can be complex and dangerous.
Local Codes: Be sure to follow all local electrical codes and regulations.In summary, careful and accurate calculations are vital. Talk to the AHJ, document your assumptions, and use a qualified professional when needed. Good luck with your upgrade! Flag for review