User: Electric_kool_aid, Location: Washington
Asked on: Friday, July 18, 2025 at 1:26 pm EDT
Answered on: Friday, July 18, 2025 at 1:28 pm EDT
Question: So the tile guys fucked up my floor heat wire I’m getting a ground fault with 26 ohms hot to ground (this is a 240 floor heat system). Trying to avoid ripping the entire floor up (I know it’s their problem not mine but I’m trying to work with everyone). Been doing research on splicing the wire itself, the manufacturers sell both cold line and hot line splice kits. There are technicians that can find the fault location so we only have one tile to rip up. My worry is liability and if this is actually a legal thing to do I know in accessible splices are obviously a no go. Wanted to hear thoughts on this or if anyone’s experienced it. Will most likely be ripping the floor up but wanted to look at options
Okay, this is a frustrating situation, and you're smart to consider all your options. Let's break down the considerations
1. Legality and Code Compliance:
NEC and Local Codes
This is the primary concern. The National Electrical Code (NEC) and your local electrical codes are the final authority. Many jurisdictions explicitly prohibit burying splices of heating cable in floors. Even if it's technically allowed, it could create significant problems if you ever sell the house.
Accessibility
In general, electrical splices need to be accessible. A buried splice is not accessible. The code exists to ensure the safe and easy repair of electrical connections.
Inspector
Even if the tile guys or the electrician say it's okay, it must be approved by your local electrical inspector. If it's not, you could fail inspection and be forced to redo it anyway.
Permit
Was a permit pulled for the floor heating installation? If so, an inspection is mandatory, and this will likely be flagged. If no permit was pulled, that's an issue that needs to be addressed before any work is done to fix it.
2. Liability
Homeowner Responsibility
Ultimately, you are responsible for the safety and code compliance of your home. Even if you hire a contractor, you can be held liable if they do something that violates code.
Disclosure
If you do bury a splice, you are obligated to disclose that to any future buyer. This could significantly impact the resale value and potentially open you up to legal action if there are problems later.
Contractor Responsibility
The tile guys are responsible for the damage they caused. Their insurance should cover the repair. Push them to involve their insurance company.
3. Splicing Considerations (Assuming hypothetically it was legal and code-compliant)
Kit Quality
Use only manufacturer-approved splice kits specifically designed for heating cable. Cheaping out here is a recipe for disaster.
Professional Installation
The splice must be done perfectly. Even a slight imperfection can lead to overheating, arcing, and fire. This is not a DIY job.
Moisture Resistance
The splice must be completely waterproof.
Mechanical Protection
The splice and the surrounding cable need to be protected from physical damage. The kits usually have provisions for this, but ensure it's robust.
Heat Dissipation
Splices can be hotspots. The kit must ensure proper heat dissipation to prevent overheating.
Ohms too low
With only 26 ohms to ground you've likely got a dead short which requires a high amount of current. Your breaker should have tripped.
4. Finding the Fault
Thermal Imaging
A thermal camera might be able to pinpoint the location of the short. This is worth exploring. The short will cause a huge amount of current and could show up as a hot spot.
Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR)
This is a specialized electrical testing technique that sends a signal down the cable and analyzes the reflections to locate the fault. A qualified electrician with TDR equipment can often pinpoint the location very accurately. This would be a good option before ripping up tile.
Sectioning and Testing
As a last resort, you could carefully cut the cable in strategic locations and test each section to isolate the fault. This is risky and may damage the cable further.
5. Recommendation
Contact the Tile Contractor's Insurance
This is the first step. Make a claim with their insurance company. Let them handle the repair.2.
Consult a Licensed Electrician
Get a written opinion from a qualified, licensed electrician who is familiar with floor heating systems and your local codes. Ask them if a splice is even legal in your area, and if so, what the code requirements are. Get everything in writing.3.
Contact Your Local Building Inspector
Ask the building inspector anonymously about the legality of splicing buried heating cable in your jurisdiction. Get their interpretation of the code.4.
Weigh the Risks vs. Benefits
Even if a splice is technically legal, carefully consider the long-term risks: Potential for future failure and costly repairs. Impact on resale value.* Liability concerns.5.
Repair vs Replace
If a splice is not code compliant and is potentially a liability, replacing the whole floor heat system is the best option. Get quotes to remove the old system and install a new one.
In short, burying a splice in a floor heating system is almost always a bad idea, even if the local code allows it, due to the inherent risks associated with such a fix. You're smart to be cautious. Focus on getting the tile contractor's insurance to cover the cost of a proper repair, which likely means replacing the damaged section of the heating cable. Flag for review