User: steve61, Location: Nebraska
Asked on: Wednesday, August 13, 2025 at 10:39 am EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, August 13, 2025 at 10:39 am EDT
Question: I am planning to install a 125 amp 208 3 phase panel for several 120 vac loads. I want to feed it with 100 amp fuses so that I can run 3 # 1 thhn, a # 6 thhn neutral and a # 8 EGC. This way I can use # 1 thhn and 1 1/4 EMT all of which I have in stock. The 120 vac loads will not get any where close to 100 amps so I think I will be ok with this installation.Also, This panel does not come with a grounding terminal bar. Can I just purchase and install a grounding bar to allow connection for all of the EGC's ?
Okay, let's break down your plan and address the code considerations.
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Analysis of Your Plan1. Oversized Panel with Smaller Overcurrent Protection (OCPD)
Using a 125A panel with a 100A fuse is generally acceptable. The panel's rating indicates its maximum capacity, and you are protecting the circuit with a smaller OCPD (100A fuses).2.
Conductor Sizing
#1 THHN
According to NEC Table 310.16, #1 THHN copper conductor is rated for 110 amps at 75°C ampacity, which is sufficient for your 100A overcurrent protection.
#6 THHN Neutral
The neutral conductor size needs to be determined based on the expected neutral load, as mentioned in 220.61. A #6 is generally only needed for balanced non linear loads.
#8 EGC
Table 250.122 requires a #8 copper EGC for a 100A overcurrent device.
Conclusion
Your conductor sizing appears to comply with the NEC.3.
EMT Conduit Sizing
You mentioned 1 1/4" EMT conduit. Check NEC Chapter 9, Table 4 to confirm that you can legally fit the four conductors of #1, #1, #1 and #6 in the conduit. If you use 1 1/4" conduit, you will meet the minimum fill requirements.4.
Grounding Terminal Bar
Yes, you can purchase and install a grounding bar within the panel enclosure to connect the equipment grounding conductors (EGCs). The grounding bar must be listed and labeled for use in the specific panel. Make sure it's properly bonded to the panel enclosure. Important
The grounding bar must be electrically connected to the panel enclosure. This is typically accomplished with a screw or bolt designed for grounding.
Important Considerations and Potential Issues Load Calculation
While you state the 120V loads will not approach 100A, you must perform a proper load calculation according to NEC Article 220. This calculation will determine the actual ampacity requirements of your feeder. You cannot simply assume the loads will be low enough. The load calculation considers the total connected load, demand factors, and any future expansion.
Voltage Drop
Calculate the voltage drop for your circuit, using the length of the run, conductor size, and expected load. Excessive voltage drop can cause equipment malfunction and inefficiency.
Neutral Load
Evaluate the expected neutral load. For most mixed 120V circuits, the neutral conductor should be sized to carry the maximum unbalanced load, as per NEC 220.61.
Grounding vs. Neutral
Ensure you understand the difference between the neutral conductor and the equipment grounding conductor (EGC). The neutral carries current under normal operating conditions. The EGC provides a low-impedance path for fault current to return to the source, tripping the OCPD in the event of a ground fault.
Do not bond the neutral and grounding conductors together in the panel if this is a subpanel. The only place where the neutral and grounding conductors are bonded is at the service entrance. Local Codes and Inspections
Your local jurisdiction may have amendments or stricter requirements than the NEC. Contact your local building department to determine the specific codes and inspection requirements. You will likely need a permit and inspection for this work.
Qualified Electrician
I repeat, this is not a DIY project if you are not a licensed electrician. The risk of improper installation is too high.
Panel Neutral/Ground Bonding
If this panel is a subpanel (fed from another panel), you
must not bond the neutral and ground at the subpanel. The neutral and ground should be isolated in the subpanel, with the grounding bar bonded to the panel enclosure and the neutral connected to its own isolated busbar.
Recommendations1. Consult a Qualified Electrician
This is the most important step. Get a professional to review your plan, perform load calculations, and ensure compliance with all applicable codes.2.
Perform a Thorough Load Calculation
Follow NEC Article 220 to calculate the actual demand load for the panel.3.
Consider Future Expansion
Plan for future load additions when selecting your panel size and conductor sizes.4.
Obtain Permits and Inspections
Contact your local building department to obtain the necessary permits and schedule inspections.5.
Document Everything: Keep accurate records of your materials, calculations, and installation procedures.By following these recommendations, you can help ensure a safe and code-compliant electrical installation. Remember, your safety and the safety of others depend on it. Flag for review