User: kgw, Location: AZ
Asked on: Wednesday, August 13, 2025 at 6:56 pm EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, August 13, 2025 at 7:13 pm EDT
Question: Seeking input...AHJ is allowing what I suspect may be a NEC violation. Am removing existing 200 Amp overhead utility service to CSED ("all-in-one"?). Installing new 200 Amp CSED and overhead service, 22 kW generator, and 200 Amp ATS. Existing CSED to be fed from ATS. Existing CSED neutral appears to have integral bond; branch circuit grounding and neutral conductors are terminated on same ground bars.I proposed installing new insulated neutral bar kits in existing all in one, connected to bonded neutral in new CSED. with all existing branch neutrals terminated on new insulated neutral bars (leaving grounding conductors on existing ground bars). In that scenario,neutral in new all in one would be grounded, abd bond at existing all in one would be elimimated.AHJ will accept leaving existing all in one as-is (neutral bonded), fed from new all in one.Seems to me that would create a parallel neutral path between old & new all in one.TIA for input.
You are correct, the AHJ's suggestion would create a parallel neutral path and violate the NEC. Here's a breakdown of why and the relevant code sections
Why it's a violation:
Parallel Neutral Paths
The NEC explicitly prohibits using the grounding conductor as a normal current-carrying conductor. With the existing CSED having a bonded neutral, and being fed by the new CSED, you'd have neutral current flowing through both the neutral conductor and the grounding conductor back to the source. This is dangerous and creates a shock hazard.
Objectionable Current
This parallel path leads to objectionable current flowing through the grounding system. This can cause nuisance tripping, interference with sensitive electronic equipment, and, most importantly, increase the risk of electric shock.
Relevant NEC Sections
NEC 250.6 Objectionable Current
Addresses and prohibits objectionable current on grounding conductors.
NEC 250.24(A)(5) Grounding Service-Supplied Alternating-Current Systems
Generally only allows the neutral to be grounded at the service equipment. This section, combined with 250.6, makes a second grounding point (bonding) problematic.
NEC 310.8(A) Conductors in Parallel
This section primarily concerns conductors used for larger currents, but the principle applies. Neutral conductors are intended to carry neutral current, and shouldn't share that load with the grounding conductor.
Your Proposed Solution
Your proposed solution of installing insulated neutral bars in the existing CSED, isolating the neutral, and eliminating the bond is the
correct approach. Here's why:1. Removes the Parallel Path
Isolating the neutral in the existing CSED eliminates the neutral-to-ground bond, preventing neutral current from flowing through the grounding system.2.
Maintains a Safe Grounding System
The grounding conductors remain connected to the existing ground bars, ensuring a low-impedance fault current path back to the source for safety.3.
Complies with NEC
This setup adheres to the NEC by ensuring a single point of neutral grounding (at the new CSED) and preventing objectionable current.
Here's a more detailed breakdown of your correct solution
New CSED
This is your new service entrance equipment. It's where the neutral is bonded to the enclosure and the grounding electrode conductor connects.
ATS
The Automatic Transfer Switch simply switches between the utility source (from the new CSED) and the generator source. It does not create a neutral bond.
Existing CSED (now a subpanel)
Remove the Neutral-to-Enclosure Bond
This is the critical step. Disconnect the bonding jumper or screw that connects the neutral bar to the enclosure.
Install Insulated Neutral Bars
Install a new neutral bar kit that is insulated from the enclosure.
Terminate Existing Branch Circuit Neutrals
Move all the existing branch circuit neutral conductors to the new insulated neutral bars.
Leave Grounding Conductors on Original Ground Bars
All equipment grounding conductors remain connected to the original ground bars, which are bonded to the enclosure.
4-Wire Feeder
The feeder conductors between the new CSED and the existing CSED must consist of four wires: two hots, a neutral, and a ground. The ground cannot be used as a neutral.
What to Tell the AHJ
Politely explain to the AHJ why their proposed solution is not compliant with the NEC. Specifically mention the following: Parallel neutral paths Objectionable current The relevant NEC sections (250.6 and 250.24(A)(5)) That your proposed solution eliminates the parallel neutral path and maintains a safe grounding system.If the AHJ remains unconvinced, you can:
Ask for Clarification
Inquire about the specific NEC section they believe allows their proposed installation.
Consult with a Senior Inspector
Request a second opinion from a more experienced inspector within the AHJ's office.
Get a Formal Interpretation
If necessary, contact your local IAEI chapter (International Association of Electrical Inspectors) for a formal interpretation of the code.
Important Considerations
Generator Neutral
Ensure your generator is a separately derived system and that its neutral is bonded according to the manufacturer's instructions and the NEC, typically at the generator itself or within the ATS if the ATS is listed for that purpose. Your ATS instructions will clarify this.
Proper Bonding and Grounding: Verify that all bonding and grounding connections are made correctly and are tight.By following these guidelines and adhering to the NEC, you can ensure a safe and compliant electrical installation. Don't compromise on safety to appease an incorrect interpretation of the code. Flag for review