User: theavidcitizen, Location: Eastern Washington State
Asked on: Thursday, August 14, 2025 at 12:53 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, August 14, 2025 at 1:24 am EDT
Question: Residential service work is not my forte, but as a new electrical contractor, it goes where it goes. Need some advice on how to proceed.Customer is requesting an upgrade from 100A to 200A, overhead service. The only real issue is the meter socket is built into the exterior of the house and the service mast is run through the wall cavity.My question is how to connect an CSED(AIO) without demo-ing the existing meter socket can. The can is set into the joist cavity, and the wall sheathing, vapor barrier, and expensive custom shiplap siding with only roughly the cover showing on the outside of the house. Any attempt to extract this F'r is going to cost big money to repair, so I'm looking for options.First thought was to remove the meter socket guts and use the existing meter can as an auxiliary gutter by installing a blank meter cover over the meter hole and running the service entry feeders through the existing can into the back of the AIO. Relatively ugly, I know, but it's also fast and cheap considering the alternative. I think if the existing meter socket can cover can have a utility ring on it and be locked, it would help my case for defining it as an auxiliary gutter.
Okay, I understand the situation. You're trying to upgrade a service while avoiding major cosmetic damage to a house with a very integrated meter setup. Let's break down your idea and explore other options, considering safety, code compliance, and practicality.
Your Idea: Using Existing Meter Can as Auxiliary Gutter
Your idea is creative and aims to minimize disruption, but it has several significant hurdles: Code Compliance
This is the biggest challenge. Using the meter can as an auxiliary gutter almost certainly violates code. Here's why:
Purpose
Meter cans are designed solely for housing the meter. They are typically not listed or rated for use as a raceway or auxiliary gutter.
Listing
Auxiliary gutters must be specifically listed for that purpose (NEC 366.6). A meter can is not.
Fill Capacity
Auxiliary gutters have specific fill requirements (NEC 366.22). You'd need to calculate if the can has sufficient space, which it likely doesn't, especially with larger 200A service conductors.
Physical Protection
Even with a blank cover and utility ring, the existing can may not provide adequate physical protection for service conductors, especially where they enter and exit.
Accessibility
Auxiliary gutters need to be accessible (NEC 366.30). A flush-mounted, built-in meter can is generally not considered readily accessible.
Corrosion
Depending on the material of the existing can, there may be concern of corrosion when placed in direct contact with service cables.
Utility Approval
The utility company will almost certainly reject this installation. They have specific requirements for meter installations, and modifying a meter can in this way is highly unlikely to meet their standards.
Safety
This could create a potentially hazardous situation if the connections inside the "auxiliary gutter" aren't properly protected and secured.
Why This Is Generally a Bad Idea
While it might seem like a clever workaround, this approach carries too much risk of code violation, rejection by the utility, and potentially unsafe conditions. Trying to save money and avoid cosmetic damage upfront could lead to much bigger problems (fines, rework, liability) down the road.
Better Alternatives (ranked from least to most disruptive, but also increasing in code compliance/acceptability)
Careful Meter Can Replacement with a Matching Footprint
The Goal
Find a 200A-rated meter socket with a very similar footprint to the existing one.
Process
Detailed Measurement
Meticulously measure the existing meter can's dimensions, mounting hole locations, and protrusion depth.
Supplier Search
Work with your electrical supply house to find a direct replacement. Look at catalogs from Milbank, Eaton, Siemens, etc. They might have a model that is nearly identical. Pay close attention to the knockout locations.
Gentle Removal
Carefully remove the existing meter can. Be prepared to reinforce the sheathing around the opening.
New Weather Seal
Ensure a perfect weather seal with the new meter can.
Minor Siding Adjustments
You might get lucky and find a can that fits perfectly, but be prepared for minor adjustments to the siding. A very skilled carpenter could make these adjustments with minimal disruption.
Advantages
Least disruptive, code-compliant (if you use a listed 200A meter socket), likely accepted by the utility.
Disadvantages
Finding a matching meter socket is a challenge. Still requires some siding work.2.
Remote Metering with CSED Relocation
The Goal
Move the meter to a new location outside, closer to the service drop, and install the CSED in a suitable location inside.
Process
Utility Consultation
This requires communication with the utility. They will specify where they will allow you to install the meter socket.
New Meter Socket
Install a standard 200A meter socket in an approved location (e.g., on the side of the house, on a pole).
Service Entrance Conductors
Run service entrance conductors (SE cable or conduit) from the new meter socket to the CSED inside.
CSED Installation
Install the 200A CSED in a code-compliant location inside the house.
Abandoned Meter Can
You could remove the old meter socket completely, or leave it in place with the old service entry wires removed and terminated, and the opening sealed.
Advantages
Code-compliant, allows for a standard meter socket installation, gets the meter out of the problematic wall cavity.
Disadvantages
More visible work on the exterior of the house, requires running service entrance conductors.3.
Full Meter and Service Entry Point Relocation with Siding Repair
The Goal
Accept that some siding work is necessary to do the job correctly.
Process
Remove the Old Meter Can
Carefully remove the existing meter can, accepting that you'll need to repair the siding.
Install a Standard Meter Socket and CSED
Choose a suitable location for a new meter socket and CSED.
Siding Repair
Hire a skilled carpenter or siding contractor to repair the siding. This may involve matching the existing shiplap or replacing a larger section.
Advantages
Code-compliant, allows for a standard installation, addresses the underlying problem.
Disadvantages
Most disruptive to the house's aesthetics and most expensive.
Key Considerations
Utility Requirements
Always contact the utility company before starting any service upgrade. They will dictate meter socket requirements, clearances, and other important details.
Local Codes
Verify local codes and regulations, as they may have additional requirements beyond the NEC.
Permitting and Inspection
Obtain the necessary permits and schedule inspections.
Customer Communication
Be upfront with the customer about the challenges and potential costs. Explain the importance of code compliance and safety.
How to Proceed
Initial Assessment
Thoroughly assess the existing meter can and the surrounding wall structure. Take detailed pictures and measurements.2.
Utility Consultation
Contact the utility company immediately. Discuss your proposed upgrade and ask about their requirements for meter sockets and service entrance locations.3.
Supplier Research
Work with your electrical supply house to explore options for a matching meter socket.4.
Customer Presentation
Present the customer with a clear explanation of the situation, the available options, and the associated costs and benefits. Be honest about the potential for siding repair.5.
Written Agreement
Get a written agreement from the customer outlining the scope of work, the costs, and any potential for cost overruns.
In conclusion, while your idea of using the existing meter can as an auxiliary gutter might seem appealing, it's almost certainly not code-compliant and could lead to problems. Focus on finding a solution that meets code requirements and ensures a safe and reliable service upgrade, even if it means some siding repair. Good luck! Flag for review