User: NYCNeal, Location: Chicago, IL
Asked on: Friday, May 9, 2025 at 1:33 pm EDT
Answered on: Friday, May 9, 2025 at 1:45 pm EDT
Question: Greetings!I'm a longtime follower of the forum, but this is my first post.I have a crazy, but hopefully quick, question. I've seen threads about receptacles in baseboard, but I haven't seen this.I have a highrise customer who wants receptacles in the toekicks under her new window seat boxes. The wiring is already in place.However, the designer wants the receptacles to be located above the toekick, facing down, so that cord plugs would have to go up into the receptacle.I looked in 201.52, but the Chicago NEC doesn't say anything about this.Does anyone know anything about this?Does this make sense? Is this even remotely code compliant?Thank you!Neal
Hello Neal, welcome to posting on the forum!Let's break this down and address your questions
Does this make sense?
Frankly, no. From a practical perspective, having receptacles facing downward in the toekick space is unusual and presents several potential problems: Accessibility
It's going to be awkward to plug things in and out. Imagine trying to plug in a bulky power adapter.
Cord Strain
Cords will be bent sharply upward, creating strain and potentially damaging the cord over time.
Dust and Debris
Toekick areas are notorious for collecting dust, crumbs, and other debris. This can get into the receptacle and potentially cause problems.
Potential for water damage
In a cleaning scenario water could easily enter the receptacle from above, leading to a shock or fire hazard.
Is this even remotely code compliant?
That's the critical question. While you are correct that 210.52 (and similar articles regarding required receptacles) likely doesn't explicitly prohibit this installation, it doesn't mean it's automatically compliant. Here's why: 110.3(B) Installation and Use
This is a foundational rule. It states that listed and labeled equipment (like receptacles) must be installed and used according to their listing instructions. The manufacturer's instructions (which are part of the listing) are what dictate how the receptacle can be installed. Most standard receptacles are designed for horizontal or vertical mounting within a box, not facing downward in a toekick.
110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work
This section requires that electrical work be done in a neat and workmanlike manner. While subjective, a downward-facing receptacle in a toekick could be argued as not meeting this standard, especially if there's a more practical and safe alternative.
Suitability (implied)
The NEC emphasizes that equipment must be suitable for the environment it's installed in. A toekick area is generally not considered a clean, dry, and easily accessible location, which raises questions about the suitability of a downward-facing receptacle.
210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel (GFCI)
Depending on the location of the window seat and the receptacles (e.g., near a sink, in a bathroom, etc.), GFCI protection might be required. Adding to the impracticality, a downward facing GFCI receptacle is even less accessible.
Addressing Chicago NEC Considerations
You mentioned that the Chicago NEC doesn't explicitly address this. It's important to check if Chicago has any local amendments or interpretations that might be relevant. Your local electrical inspector is the final authority on code compliance. It's best to discuss this situation with them before proceeding.
Recommendation
I would strongly advise against this installation. Here's what I would suggest:1.
Talk to the Designer
Explain the potential problems and code concerns to the designer. Offer alternative solutions, such as:
Standard Receptacles in the Toekick
Install standard receptacles horizontally within the toekick, using a box designed for that purpose. While still potentially prone to dust, it's a much more standard and accessible installation.
Receptacles on the Sides of the Window Seat
Place receptacles on the sides of the window seat, where they are more accessible and less likely to accumulate debris.*
Floor Receptacles
If the window seat is in an open area, consider floor receptacles installed per NEC requirements.2.
Consult the Electrical Inspector
Discuss the situation with your local electrical inspector and get their opinion on code compliance. Having their support will be crucial.3.
Document Everything
Keep a record of your conversations with the designer and the electrical inspector. This will protect you in case any issues arise later.
In Summary:
While the code might not explicitly forbid this installation, it raises significant concerns regarding safety, accessibility, and compliance with general NEC principles. A more conventional installation is highly recommended. It's best to consult with the designer and your local electrical inspector to find a solution that meets both their aesthetic requirements and the code.Good luck, and please let us know what you find out! Flag for review